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Post by dizhn »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #394
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #375

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If someone built a dozen companies, and like a third of them succeeded and made him one of (if not the) richest man in the world, I think you could say that that person "has an incredible track record of success" and I don't even like this guy, but this is just dishonest from you

What was successful after Tesla and SpaceX?

Parent might be including PayPal too. Though it's not clear what Musk's involvement in their success was.

By the way, if you or I owned either one of the companies you mentioned it would be considered a great success. Your question itself is putting Musk in a league of his own. I don't care that he's an asshole. If someone asked the three of us to eject into space a car that we built, only he could comply.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by tuatoru »

jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

They already have a pretty wide moat in terms of gross margin per vehicle produced. I'd rather they focus on driving down costs - $25000 is already too much for most people.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by abletonlive »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #441
abletonlive wrote: post #400

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Your bias against elon is showing and it's not a good look. You're not being very rational.

I used to be a fan, then he showed up to the cave rescue operation with half a submarine, and in responce to crtiticism he called rescue divers pedoes. So I started wondering, can he be a good leader when he can't take criticism? How does he retain best pepple if his ego is this fragile? I am quite happy to see more people reassess him as he demonstrates capricious and callous behavioir, for exanple the Twitter aquis…

No, I won't, because I don't think he's a faultless person. In fact, I think he's quite an asshole, but I can rationally separate who he is from his long list of accomplishments.

Just because you want him to be a failure or a con-artist or whatever doesn't mean he actually is.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by [deleted] »

CydeWeys wrote: post #345
taneq wrote: post #326

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> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? That week of driving is worth what an Uber driver’s take-home pay would be for the same week after finance (or equivalent lost interest if you buy with cash), insurance, on-road costs, charging, maintenance, depreciation, and whatever intangible value you put on not having hundr…

Many people don't want to use their car as a robotic rideshare for hire. The inside is gonna get pretty not nice in a hurry. At least when there's a human driver in a car, they can tell misbehaving people to knock it off. Not so when the car is unattended and robotic.

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by Retric »

chii wrote: post #467
Retric wrote: post #445

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SpaceX has been quite successful, though it also came really close to failing. Solar city actually failed as an independent company. Boring company is floundering. Twitter is having massive issues. I think he’s done more harm to Tesla after taking it over from the original founders than been a benefit. It’s unclear but he definitely took massive risks which were unnecessary and has many serious failures such as how l…

> has many serious failures such as how long their truck has slipped. i wouldn't call the cybertruck a true failure, since it's effectively free marketing, and they don't have a real obligation to make a sale. Tesla's massive competitive moat is their battery making capacity. I do not believe the incumbent car manufacturers are able to catch up any time soon. It would be the chinese manufacturers of electric cars tha…

Tesla is down to 54% of US EV sales (it’s much worse globally) and it’s been falling very quickly. So, their battery moat is basically gone, and the need for the recent price drop amid such rapidly expanding EV sales is a really bad sign.

A significant part of that is they lack of a truck option considering how popular the Ford Lightning, Rivian, etc are. Alongside that is the general perception of stagnation among car buyers, the yoke was seen as a gimmick not the refresh the model S is in serious need of.

They just keep fumbling. Consider the amount of bad press they got around the undersized breaks on the Plaid or their 1 foot rollout numbers. What could have been a real halo product did almost as much harm as it helped.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by tuatoru »

jancsika wrote: post #377
the_pwner224 wrote: post #250

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> Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No, because ~nobody would buy them. > I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Because 99% of people want it. Not everyone wants everything, buy each group of people wants some features and the end result is that you have to stuff your car full of tech to be competitive in the modern car market. And this isn't an EV…

This reads like pre-Covid auto industry logic. And the car market right now is so bizarre right now that if any of what you wrote still applies it's by sheer chance. There aren't even any base-level trims available from most of the big manufacturers to offer to the "99% of people." Less than two months ago I was looking to see if I could find a manual Nissan Versa 2023 for my uncle. It's basically the paper-cup-and-s…

So you don't want remote locking, a reversing camera, automatic brakeforce distribution, antilock braking, airbags, or system diagnostics? I do.

(Let alone the fancy stuff like electronic stability control, blind spot warning, autonomous emergency braking, autodipping headlights, lane keeping, dynamic cruise control, auto-parking, or attention monitoring? Those'd be nice too, probably.)

Things like heated steering wheels, and heated seats with rise and fall motors and motorised windows and mirrors, yeah, OK, I could do without those - but lots of people would disagree.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by Retric »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #468
Retric wrote: post #445

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SpaceX has been quite successful, though it also came really close to failing. Solar city actually failed as an independent company. Boring company is floundering. Twitter is having massive issues. I think he’s done more harm to Tesla after taking it over from the original founders than been a benefit. It’s unclear but he definitely took massive risks which were unnecessary and has many serious failures such as how l…

> I think he’s done more harm to Tesla after taking it over from the original founders than been a benefit. Didn't every single product launch happen after the takeover? We probably would have never heard of the company otherwise, why would we assume a similar trajectory with different leadership? It's like saying Jobs did more harm than good after returning to Apple.

No.

Tesla was founded in 2003, Musk invested in 2004, Roadster unveiled in 2006 and entered production in 2008. October 2008, Musk took over as CEO of the 5 year old company which then went public in 2010. The model S entered production in 2012 and they discontinued the roadster.

So Tesla went public selling a product developed under the original CEO, and he took 5 years to get the next model our even after having a working EV. That said the Model S was a hit, but it was also the original founders goal to work down to more mainstream products.

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Post by Xelynega »

acyou wrote: post #447
jdminhbg wrote: post #379

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That’s a fun niche use case but most people just drive to work and school and back every weekday. Having to stop for 20-40 minutes on the odd occasion that you need to drive 340 miles in a day is worth never having to stop for gas for your daily commute.

How much time does it take to plug and unplug the car every day, vs. the gas station fill time?

It takes about 4 seconds if the plug isn't right beside the car.

It takes me at least 3 minutes one way to get to a gas station, then another few minutes to fill up.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by mattigames »

otterley wrote: post #432
mattigames wrote: post #248

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Except guns of course, because... America.

The argument that a firearm that kills or injures someone when used correctly is a defective product is a difficult one to make because, well, that's what it was designed to do. However, if a poorly-designed or -built firearm blows up in the user's hand, then that would probably be considered defective, and the injured person might well prevail on a defective-product liability claim.

Maybe companies should design new car models specifically to kill, that way when it happens they can truthfully claim it was exactly what it was designed to do, it would work regardless if it happens by accident or intentional as long as the buyer is not the victim, exactly like with guns.
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