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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

philippejara wrote: post #339
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #321

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that he regularly sells.

And is bought by people that think the company is valuable enough to give the stock said value. You can argue that those people are wrong, sure, but I don't get what point you're trying to make. He isn't taking money away from someone else or being given "underserved" rewards, when the people that are keeping the value of what he receives believes it to be of such value.

Point is that you first sign off the effing self-driving car, then you get your effing money.

That is what we used to do in America, since the days of JD Rockefeller, Henry Ford...but also Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and Larry Ellison. I mean I used Windows before Gates became richest man in the world and so did hundreds of millions of people.

Musk got to #1 by selling go karts to a handful of rich people and promises of future selfdriving and total domination of the EV sector when EVs are not even sure to be the winner tech in the decarbonization of cars

The vast majority of Americans have never even set foot in a Tesla.

You seem to condone the poker game that Wall St. has become, I don't agree with that because entrepreneurship shouldn't be about bluffing and then offloading your hand to a bigger fool. We do that in Vegas, like men where at least you have to look in the eyes the dude you are screwing over.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by agnosticmantis »

The conman has already moved on from FSD to humanoid robots that can currently spread their legs with the help of 2 other people holding the robot. It’ll keep the hype up for another decade or so, and by that time there’ll be another wave he’ll masterfully ride on.

Thunderf00t points to an interesting interview of karpathy where he says (truthfully) that when he joined Tesla, the cars couldn’t even follow the lines or something, yet at the same time the scam king was promising coast to coast self-driven rides. See timestamp 16:48 of the video below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=grefAhSvcvc&t=16m48s

P.S. no offense to the excellent employees of Tesla who’ve achieved tremendous things, including the driver assist system. But the scammy claims of the conman in chief straddling the border of fraud and and futurism unfortunately overshadows these legitimate achievements.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by notmypenguin »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #335
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311

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> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. You seem to have a more personal vendetta against him, I’m just looking at his insane success and envying hype/ management style

Easy there, cowboy, he’s had incredible success whipping his fans into frothing frenzies of self congratulatory adulation that would make a seesaw get dizzy. No other boss person since the mighty Steve has had this effect on the mass psyche, and Elon has arguably done a lot less. I claim teslas success is in spite of him, not because of him. Facts matter, and the SEC case was where I first realized his lack of leadership skill, and boasting about tanking his own stock price was not impressive. He’s not impressive, rather dull and low imagination if you ask me, which you didn’t, as you were busy falling over yourself to worship Elon Musk, who sounds like a cheap cologne

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by noveltyaccount »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #303
buildbot wrote: post #2

I avoid driving anywhere near Tesla’s, especially tailing them. Phantom braking is not okay.

Any car with regenerative braking is obnoxious, by federal law they aren't required to flash the brake lights when decelerating, ONLY when they're applying the physical brake and not when the car is regenerating, etc.

I don't know about the law, but that's not true of Teslas. Deceleration triggers brake lights. Here's one example where a guy tests it https://youtu.be/dmptMElBpjI

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Post by CydeWeys »

taneq wrote: post #326
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151

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Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? That week of driving is worth what an Uber driver’s take-home pay would be for the same week after finance (or equivalent lost interest if you buy with cash), insurance, on-road costs, charging, maintenance, depreciation, and whatever intangible value you put on not having hundr…

Many people don't want to use their car as a robotic rideshare for hire. The inside is gonna get pretty not nice in a hurry.

At least when there's a human driver in a car, they can tell misbehaving people to knock it off. Not so when the car is unattended and robotic.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by gumby »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282

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And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

> …while all the synchopants keep ranting…

We definitely now live in a world that needs this word. I am now adopting it myself. Thanks!

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by CydeWeys »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #189
Finnucane wrote: post #170

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Is there a big market for $125,000 cars? Who needs a car 40 hours a week?

Uber

Which Waymo and possibly Cruise are on track to make cars for. Tesla though, nope. Their approach is fundamentally unsound and unworkable (just like Uber's internal effort was).

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Post by Prickle »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

> no correlation between rockets and self driving cars,

This is actually false. Automation of vehicle controls has a surprisingly large overlap between air/space and land.

The main difference is the amount of traffic and lack of vibration dampening.

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Post by ineedasername »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151
jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

The physical capabilities of the car do not increase with the # of hours it is driven. If you work a car 5x as hard, it will require a similar increase in maintenance and an overall shorter lifetime. (Lifespan. As measured in calendar years, not miles driven)

I’m not saying you’re completely wrong on the general concept, but the relationship between value increase and drivable time per week (or whatever unit of time) is not 1:1. There’s going to be some loss in there.

Also not all cars would see drive time increases. Those used as Ubers or similar certainly will, but that won’t displace the vast majority of car owners who will continue to own a car and drive it at similar rates for the convenience of having it immediately on hand, at all times, ready to go. If it self drives too then that’s great, the claw back some personal time during a commute etc.

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Post by CydeWeys »

kortex wrote: post #306
threeseed wrote: post #252

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Also our binocular vision is movable unlike cars. Which is how we determine depth when there is occlusion ie. we move our head.

And cars have multiple cameras simultaneously in 360° overlapping coverage. Plus you have motion parallax.

And yet their self-driving still sucks compared to what a person can do.
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