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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282
rurp wrote: post #200

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Elon doesn't actually believe that Tesla cars are about to quintuple in value now, any more than he did 7+ years ago when he first started saying it; that's just marketing BS. > So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation. Yes, and most Gamestop investors think the company is going to be the next Amazon. Buying a popular meme stock doesn't make their predictions right.

And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized,

Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams.

As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote :

"What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!"

First the self-driving car for all Americans (the item), then the big payday for Mr.Musk, that's what happened with Mr. Ford back in the day, but what did the guy know? Nowadays you can just bluff your way into riches using the marvelous phenomenon of cult of personality and stock appreciation.

> > It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

Want to see a sample of what Microsoft's ChatGPT can do?? It's amazing! But that has nothing to do with Microsoft giving Apple a run for its money in the smartphone market like Ballmer predicted back in 2012

There is no correlation between the 2 things just like there is no correlation between rockets and self driving cars, and it's laughable that synchopants think they are correlated just because thought leader and cult of personality enthusiast Elon Musk is both the founder of SpaceX and the petty individual who sued for the right to be called the founder of Tesla

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Post by andybak »

robertlagrant wrote: post #263
andybak wrote: post #163

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3 is the guidance in the UK at least

> You should ... allow at least a two-second gap between you and the vehicle in front on high-speed roads and in tunnels where visibility is reduced. The gap should be at least doubled on wet roads and up to ten times greater on icy roads Highway code rule 126[0] says 2? [0] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-t...

Oh. I stand corrected.

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Post by HPsquared »

epolanski wrote: post #297
belltaco wrote: post #64

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Because it sells the world's best selling car at a high margin? And is double the price of the Toyota Corolla it dethroned. https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worl... If one gets news about Tesla only from HN then it does seem Tesla is ridiculous, because only negative stories tend to get upvoted and positive ones buried.

It still makes less money than any other of these automakers. Also margins have fallen like rocks, there's been 3 price cuts in one year. I can buy a tesla for less than a golf in Italy. Cars aren't great stocks. Low margins too much competition. jm2c

It's a competitive market but also a really large one, people spend a LOT of money on their cars. Much more than they spend on iPhones or Netflix.

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

m463 wrote: post #220
abirch wrote: post #7

Unfortunate thing for Tesla is we have the Affective Fallacy where if we like Tesla we overweight its benefits and underweight its errors.

I think you can still try to be objective. For example, I like tesla autopilot 1 (mobileye based) and found its behavior to be reasonable. I also know its limitations - it has only one camera - so I don't use it in edge-case scenarios. I think model S display is good for turning settings on and off, but is bad for controlling any aspect of the car especially critical ones like headlights, climate control, door locks…

After driving a newer model I have to disagree. I find it more efficient and natural, not sure why people stress over it. Getting used to yoke was way quicker than regenerative breaking.

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Post by jjoonathan »

advael wrote: post #281
jjoonathan wrote: post #191

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Every time one of these threads come around I search youtube for a FSD video and qualitatively evaluate what comes up. If you google FSD fail compilation, you'll get a FSD fail compilation. You can do the same for humans.

And if there's a video of FSD that isn't a "fail compilation", it was probably filmed and/or uploaded because it showed off the FSD doing well, and may even be subject to, effectively, the editorial review of google (whether via algorithms or moderators), which could easily depend on the size of google's advertising relationship with tesla on a given day (or how heavily they want to push the safety of self-driving ca…

> if there's a video of FSD that isn't a "fail compilation"

If? FSD drives a million miles a day. There are a few.

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Post by xenadu02 »

dmbche wrote: post #172
bsder wrote: post #157

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> As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car Then you haven't been paying attention around the Toyota acceleration scandal. Pedal confusion is remarkably common when you buy a new car/use a rental (your feet rely on muscle memory), and it's not uncommon in the elderly. Most of the Toyota unintended acceleration fits the statistical profile of pedal confusion in the elderly. Howev…

Oh wow! Thanks for the heads up. When skimming about Toyota, I'm getting unsafe floor mats and sticky pedals as the cause of acceleration, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough. The other commenter also brought up that it's a common issue. Guess I'm feeling less safe on the road then ever - and I'll get a manual to boot

If memory serves the main ECU control loop didn't check for stack overflows so excessive recursion could smash the global variables on the stack and accidentally turn off any number of ECU tasks - including the one responsible for monitoring the accelerator and brake.

The ECU module includes watchdog support that runs on another chip or core (can't recall) that was intended to do backup monitoring of the main ECU - and especially it should have watched the brake pedal and of the brake was held for a minimum time it would override the ECU and force the accelerator to zero. However that function did not work reliably, making the watchdog useless.

The code itself was poorly structured, with lots of critical things done in one big "god" task that if accidentally disabled by a single bool flip in RAM would ultimately disable many safety critical functions. Normally you'd have multiple copies of such data structures that must agree, split the code up into separate isolated tasks so a failure of one doesn't stop the others, and implement basic stack overflow protection which again IIRC was available on the toolchain they were using but was not enabled.

The watchdog problems are especially inexcusable for a safety critical system.

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Post by jjoonathan »

Spooky23 wrote: post #262
jjoonathan wrote: post #238

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NHSTA is infected by the woke virus. Elon knows what you need. If your car crashes into a wall or whatever, it’s probably your fault anyway.

> I'll leave NHTSA to sort out the latter

Reading comprehension at 0%.

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Post by lost_tourist »

advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'm the opposite. Show me where there has been a major issue security wise that caused a car to fail in a statistically significant fashion over old issues with cars and for comparison to simply driving to work. I suspect it is miniscule and in the noise. As long as that's true I'm not going to freak out over computers in cars.

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Post by austhrow743 »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282

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And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

Elon is paid in stock not cash.

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Post by bombolo »

jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

He has to trick the investors with something.
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