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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by inconceivable »

liendolucas wrote: post #196
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

you could buy a used car and convert it to EV.

that 1. removes an ICE off the road 2. saves on new mfr costs and 3. is a worthy hacker endeavour and/or 4. supports a local business

of course if you simply hate cars and want everyone to ride the train or bikes you'll find a million reasons to not do this. good luck with that.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by birdyrooster »

orpheansodality wrote: post #138
theodric wrote: post #67

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It's...a thing. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/gaslight-gatekeep-girlboss

why is it being applied to a tesla whistleblower post though

Because Tesla is femme and they are respecting its gender.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by threeseed »

valine wrote: post #178
threeseed wrote: post #110

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Other car companies e.g. Lucid, BMW have better technology in other areas. And why would anyone bother with custom ML SOC when you can just partner with Nvidia like Rivian, Mercedes etc.

Vertical integration has many benefits. It’s the same reason Apple started making their own chips and ditched intel. The SOCs will be cheaper and better optimized for Tesla’s use case. Every Nvidia GPU I’m aware of ships with both CUDA cores and Tensor cores. For a pure ML application those CUDA cores are almost useless. Tesla would be paying Nvidia’s premium for transistors that aren’t optimized for ML inference. A…

Nvidia isn't using PC GPUs in cars. They have a dedicated SOC for self driving:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/chipmaker-nvidia-launches...

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by vikramkr »

throwaway2214 wrote: post #177
advael wrote: post #165

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Bullshit, full stop. We live in a society with deep dependency chains on technology we can't possibly understand as individuals, that much is true But all of those technologies are subject to independent auditing and regulation to make up for that lack of verifiability on an individual level. It is technologically feasible to apply that kind of standard to computer technologies, and in fact I would argue that it's mu…

why do you think if we can not understand the dependency chain, the regulators and the auditors can?

Because we don't have the time needed to do the audit nor necessarily the access, while auditors and regulators have both because of legal backing and the fact that it's their full time job

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by rickyc091 »

vgt wrote: post #166
jjoonathan wrote: post #139

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Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment. Last time I was in a FSD Tesla, it repeatedly tried to run red lights and didn't know how to merge lanes on a freeway...

Tesla has four modes of "self driving"--Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, FSD, FSD Beta.

AP/EAP will run red lights and can't merge lanes on a freeway. FSD will stop for lights/stop signs, but that's about it. FSD Beta is what Tesla is typically known for and what many YouTube videos are showing. FSD Beta will stop at red lights and merge into freeways. Most people use FSD interchangeably, but they are not the same thing.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by katbyte »

virtualritz wrote: post #212
LelouBil wrote: post #154

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> I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem. They shouldn't be harming lives to pursue this.

Fair enough. But if you think this line of reasoning through, cars should have never been admitted on the road in the first place. The issue I see is lack of transparency. If the % of accidents that can be avoided is provably much higher than those caused by Tesla's self-driving tech, an informed argument could be made in favor or against. But with Tesla withholding the information in the leak there is just FUD aroun…

no, no they shouldn't have. At least not without tesla taking full accountability and liability for every accident on autopilot.

other manufacturers are slowly rolling out more self driving like tech, AND taking on liability.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by squarefoot »

jjoonathan wrote: post #139
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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The bigger problem is that I am trusting my life to you using it. This goes way beyond defective product and normal risk, the fact that these things happen endangers everybody on the road, not just those that decided to throw in their lot with Tesla.

Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

Can you be absolutely certain that self driving can deal safely with every possible road irregularities, obstacles, bad, incomplete, damaged or tampered road signs, and other unpredictable events? Self driving on public roads done right is damn hard; probably harder than sending a manned but completely automated spaceship to Mars and back.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by jjoonathan »

plagiarist wrote: post #217
jjoonathan wrote: post #175

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I don't own one, but I watch a video on youtube every time one of these threads comes around and it seems to be pretty good these days. Your examples are bad. People do both of those things all the time.

This is delusional. "It's fine because I watched some videos and some irresponsible people often drive recklessly anyway."

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by contravariant »

IceHegel wrote: post #168
abirch wrote: post #7

Unfortunate thing for Tesla is we have the Affective Fallacy where if we like Tesla we overweight its benefits and underweight its errors.

Why precisely makes that a fallacy?

You're presupposing the conclusion.

If you didn't overemphasize the good parts and downplay the bad parts you might find out that maybe you shouldn't really like what Tesla is doing at all, or you'd have a legitimate reason to like Tesla.

What you shouldn't do is overemphasize the good parts so you can feel better about your decision to like Tesla. Then your conclusion has been fixed from the start and you're adjusting the facts to fit to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by birdyrooster »

harles wrote: post #169
jjoonathan wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

> Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. Genuine question: what evidence is there of this?

I think Elon has a jump cut video of it somewhere
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