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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by asdff »

valine wrote: post #33
Pxtl wrote: post #18

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

Is this even a lead? Seems like Tesla is just bearing the R&D that any other auto manufacturer can decide to implement if it makes sense for margins. There's no secret sauce when a competitor can get a hold of your product and see how it works. Its why in past wars doing things like scuttling vehicles was important to prevent competition.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by dmbche »

bsder wrote: post #157
dmbche wrote: post #123

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Would you have a link to that? I'd be interested to look. As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car, so if Telsa's get people to confuse them enough to bring them to court, it's probably bad design. Edit: The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates 16,000 accidents per year in the United States occur when drivers intend to apply the brake but mistakenly apply…

> As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car Then you haven't been paying attention around the Toyota acceleration scandal. Pedal confusion is remarkably common when you buy a new car/use a rental (your feet rely on muscle memory), and it's not uncommon in the elderly. Most of the Toyota unintended acceleration fits the statistical profile of pedal confusion in the elderly. Howev…

Oh wow! Thanks for the heads up.

When skimming about Toyota, I'm getting unsafe floor mats and sticky pedals as the cause of acceleration, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough. The other commenter also brought up that it's a common issue.

Guess I'm feeling less safe on the road then ever - and I'll get a manual to boot

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by stilist »

jjoonathan wrote: post #139
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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The bigger problem is that I am trusting my life to you using it. This goes way beyond defective product and normal risk, the fact that these things happen endangers everybody on the road, not just those that decided to throw in their lot with Tesla.

Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

Is it actually better than a bad human driver? (And what’s your metric for ‘bad’ — tired, drunk, distracted, a teenager who just got their license but didn’t actually practice enough?) Because I’ve watched enough videos of people having to quickly override Full Self-Driving in ordinary situations that I’m really skeptical that it’s better than most drivers. I’d be willing to say that in practice FSD usage is small enough to not be a serious threat to public safety, but I haven’t seen evidence that it’s better than a human.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by fathyb »

jjoonathan wrote: post #139
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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The bigger problem is that I am trusting my life to you using it. This goes way beyond defective product and normal risk, the fact that these things happen endangers everybody on the road, not just those that decided to throw in their lot with Tesla.

Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

> Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver.

I have big doubts regarding this claim. I could not find any source that is not Tesla.

Given that TFA is about Tesla deceiving and hiding information from customers, do you have any source that isn't Tesla or Musk?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by jjoonathan »

vgt wrote: post #166
jjoonathan wrote: post #139

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Tesla self-driving is better than a bad human driver. There are loads of bad human drivers on the road. Someone has to be liable, but I don't really care if it falls to Musk or a Musk simp. I do care if we kick yet another key technology out of the US only to have to rent it back years later when someone else picks up the torch. Let's not do that.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment. Last time I was in a FSD Tesla, it repeatedly tried to run red lights and didn't know how to merge lanes on a freeway...

I don't own one, but I watch a video on youtube every time one of these threads comes around and it seems to be pretty good these days.

Your examples are bad. People do both of those things all the time.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by olyjohn »

bboygravity wrote: post #10
George83728 wrote: post #4

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I treat them like semi-trucks on the highway. Pass them or let them pass you, but don't loiter alongside, behind or in front of one.

I treat them like the safest cars to be around. Because statistically, they are?

That's not a great idea. The driver is still in control of the car and is no better than anybody else, and maybe even not paying attentnion because some think autopilot is self driving. You should treat all other traffic with the same defense.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by throwaway2214 »

advael wrote: post #165
throwaway2214 wrote: post #133

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Bullshit, full stop. We live in a society with deep dependency chains on technology we can't possibly understand as individuals, that much is true But all of those technologies are subject to independent auditing and regulation to make up for that lack of verifiability on an individual level. It is technologically feasible to apply that kind of standard to computer technologies, and in fact I would argue that it's mu…

why do you think if we can not understand the dependency chain, the regulators and the auditors can?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by valine »

threeseed wrote: post #110
valine wrote: post #33

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

Other car companies e.g. Lucid, BMW have better technology in other areas. And why would anyone bother with custom ML SOC when you can just partner with Nvidia like Rivian, Mercedes etc.

Vertical integration has many benefits. It’s the same reason Apple started making their own chips and ditched intel. The SOCs will be cheaper and better optimized for Tesla’s use case.

Every Nvidia GPU I’m aware of ships with both CUDA cores and Tensor cores. For a pure ML application those CUDA cores are almost useless. Tesla would be paying Nvidia’s premium for transistors that aren’t optimized for ML inference.

A Tesla designed chip can be 100% dedicated to tensor multiplication. You’re paying less per transistor and every transistor is utilized to the fullest extent.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by andybak »

pseg134 wrote: post #144
rcxdude wrote: post #92

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Still doesn't justify its valuation. Tesla is very far from worthless but nowhere near worth its stock price.

Do you know there is a much better place to express this opinion than a message board?

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
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