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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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I avoid driving anywhere near Tesla’s, especially tailing them. Phantom braking is not okay.

You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

Sure, but an unexpected full ABS lock when you can see nothing in front of the tesla is going to be yard for most to react quickly too even at a decent distance. 10 second follow distances are only possible in most metros during very light traffic.

Then you're driving unsafely, although 10 seconds as a general rule is a straw man.

At any time, a child could run out from a hidden spot and the car in front of you could have to slam on the brakes as hard as possible. Or any of a hundred other realistic scenarios.

These things aren't common, but statistically they will happen to you multiple times during a lifetime of driving, and it's your responsibility to always be at a safe distance behind in order to react as well.

The common rule of thumb is generally 2-3 seconds in perfect conditions, and 4-6 seconds in rain or other normal challenging conditions. 10 seconds is only in cases of ice/snow where most people wouldn't be driving in the first place (you know, when you're going just 15 mph but it still takes 5 seconds to come to a full stop on the slippery ice). The heaviness/lightness of traffic is irrelevant.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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When a Toyota hid an “unintended acceleration” bug, it was a scandal that resulted in a $1.2B fine. https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-...

Every customer complaint about unintended acceleration of Teslas was proven in court to be the fault of the customer confusing the pedals. The accelerator pedal has two independent sensors measuring input - they both have to agree, and no input on the brake pedal must be detected for the vehicle to accelerate. They go a step further. They use their cameras to detect the environment and significantly slow down acceler…

Would you have a link to that? I'd be interested to look.

As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car, so if Telsa's get people to confuse them enough to bring them to court, it's probably bad design.

Edit: The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates 16,000 accidents per year in the United States occur when drivers intend to apply the brake but mistakenly apply the accelerator.[3] from wikipedia on Sudden unintended acceleration

Hard to imagine how you fail to design pedals!

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To my understanding, that is because Tesla car replacement parts are hideously expensive. Not because they are unsafe.

If they don't cause many collisions, the cost of replacement parts isn't significant.

Tell that to all the Hyundai/Kia owners whose cars are just spontaneously getting damaged while sitting parked. ;)

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

It's not just the software. They are trying to make due without the kind of sensors that are required to properly sense the immediate environment (LIDAR)

This may surprise, but LIDAR is a very recent innovation and virtually zero percent of cars (particularly historically) are LIDAR equipped. Binocular vision has a pretty impressive track record.

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Along with what everyone else has said about Teslas being good electric cars with a high profit margin, Tesla (the company) continues to enjoy a high growth rate in terms of units delivered per year.

https://www.statista.com/chart/8547/teslas-vehicle-deliverie...

Also, Tesla seems to have mostly successfully shrugged off the dealer model and avoided pension based compensation.

If they can maintain a reasonable level of satisfaction when offering service, they get to scoop up the 20% margins the dealerships take, as well as avoid the sentiment hit every other dealer has to take by forcing people to buy new cars through that truly awful process.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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> Customers that Handelsblatt spoke to have the impression that Tesla employees avoid written communication. “They never sent emails, everything was always verbal,” says the doctor from California, whose Tesla said it accelerated on its own in the fall of 2021 and crashed into two concrete pillars. I mean, that's pretty suspicious right there.

Never write in an email what you can say on the phone, never say on the phone what you can say in person.

.. never say it when you can wink; never wink when you can nod..

--professional politicians at the State Capital building

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

Is what you raise relevant? Is it fine if everybody does it? Is the leak not real because you found a link to it on an unimpartial site? Edit:spelling

If you can find the same information to corroborate then no, but if it's the only source...

But it is one of those trends that I personally do not like either where these posts are made like it's a personal conversation between two girlfriends or whatever. There's opinion pieces and then there's this kind of I don't even know what it's called I'm so un-hip

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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The fact they seem to be custom manufacturing silicon carbide FET's.... While everyone else is using off the shelf components. Those custom FET's haven't yet publically been torn down. But I'd guess they enable more efficient motor inverters. More efficiency means smaller battery, and less cooling. Less cooling means the whole heatpump system can be downsized, reducing weight. Reduced weight means smaller battery. Sm…

Do you really want 'untested' technology hurtling you down a road at nearly 100 mph?

Fets are pretty low risk... Worst case, you lose a motor. They have the explosive fuse to prevent a bunch of shorted fets causing massive braking, and I've never heard of that fuse being activated.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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It's not just the software. They are trying to make due without the kind of sensors that are required to properly sense the immediate environment (LIDAR)

This may surprise, but LIDAR is a very recent innovation and virtually zero percent of cars (particularly historically) are LIDAR equipped. Binocular vision has a pretty impressive track record.

Not with electrical brains, unfortunately.
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