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Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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Post by vkou »

celtoid wrote: post #42
mrguyorama wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump himself openly talks about admiring Putin and preferring the way Putin leads to anything here in America, and high ranking members of the American Republican party spent at least one recent July 4th in Moscow meeting with Putin. Connections with the Russian Oligarchy haven't harmed them at all, especially since all their followers are convinced it was a hoax.

I'm speaking more of these types of photo ops: "Secretary Blinken stands with former Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice, Henry Kissinger, and James Baker at Stanford Memorial Church on Thursday." [0] Hillary Clinton also spent decades brown nosing Henry Kissinger. I'm curious to see if she releases a public birthday greeting when he turns 100. [0] https://www.state.gov/dipnote-u-s-department-of-state-offici...

I'm personally waiting for the fawning obituaries.

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Post by poisonarena »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #63
dragonwriter wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. There's also the substantial problem that the war crimes (and crimes of aggression) that each is most clearly responsible for are not within ICC jurisdiction for geographical and/or temporal reasons. (Becauae the…

> Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq. Some of those possible violations were no doubt awful, but as usual the national leadership layer of the winning sides was untouched. I still have hopes that Tony Blair will one day face the punishment he deserves.

relevent song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtikPtdT-s

Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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Post by reducesuffering »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #17
jgalt212 wrote: post #15

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Why was the US in Vietnam in the first place if the assumption was that Capitalism was much better than Communism? For something to be so much better than the alternative it sure was a close ideological race between the 2 systems.

Ultimately the reason the US was in Vietnam includes the context of the Korean war that just happened a decade prior. The US was hoping we would have two South Koreas ($35k GDP per capita) than a Communist Vietnam ($3.5k GDP per capita)

https://twitter.com/cafreiman/status/1623863406276091906

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Post by favorited »

science4sail wrote: post #61
1letterunixname wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. They should die in custody and disgrace while Snowden and Assange should be free.

> While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. Wouldn't that just result in the US invading the Netherlands to rescue them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... > This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague…

Which would be a disaster, because it would be an intra-NATO military conflict, and while intra-NATO military alliances exist, they are untested and it's hard to imagine another NATO state backing US military action in the Netherlands. The Netherlands would invoke Article 5 and request military assistance from other NATO members against the US.

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Post by soledades »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

Every major outlet is against the war in Ukraine, which is why they want to help the Ukrainians drive the aggressors out.

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Post by soledades »

mythrwy wrote: post #66
int_19h wrote: post #57

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The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?

It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.

One party instigated by undertaking an illegal invasion of a sovereign state.

And one party instigated by allowing victims of imperial subjugation to seek protection against further imperial subjugation by joining a military alliance... or something like that?

These things are all quite different, it is strange to use the same word to describe them.

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Post by golemiprague »

camillomiller wrote: post #65
msla wrote: post #51

So many people were wrong about Cambodia: https://globalist.yale.edu/in-the-magazine/glimpses/ghosts-o... > At the time, American scholars Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman argued that media claims of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda, designed to make the US look favorable in the ongoing Vietnam War. Swedish diplomat Gunnar Bergstrom dined with Pol Pot in Phnom Penh while the dictator’s cadres continued their geno…

So, let me understand: the mistake of a non-military intellectual who was not in a position of power at the time, and was proven wrong about his ideologically loaded perspective, is presented as an equivalent to the position of a high ranking official that physically commanded actions that killed thousands of innocent civilians?

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Post by dctoedt »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #31
yabones wrote: post #8

Kissinger's turning 100 this Saturday. The final horcrux of 20th century imperialism.

Wow, I must have been the 23rd person to show up at this party — he and I share the same birthday.

So you're turning 100 too? Wow, congratulations!

(I drill my law students in spotting and correcting phrasing that can be interpreted in two different ways, i.e., ambiguities.)

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Post by dilap »

archagon wrote: post #67
mythrwy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.

You might want to brush up on what the word "instigated" means.

Instigated is maybe too strong a word, but certainly at least provoked.

It's a testament to the awesome power of US propaganda that you can't throw a stone in Texas without hitting a house flying the Ukrainian flag, but almost no one actually knows the history and circumstances leading up to the war.

I think these two pieces provide some good background:

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-...

https://archive.is/uvm3W

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Post by avgcorrection »

emodendroket wrote: post #68
b215826 wrote: post #7

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

To be honest I'm not sure the megalomaniacs who pushed him aside are any better... in a way, better to deal with someone amoral who can be reasoned with than a true believer who thinks he's going to remake the Middle East in the image of America or whatever.

> better to deal with someone amoral who can be reasoned with

By whom/who?

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