US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

Post by hutzlibu » Thu, May 25, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

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"Orthodox Jews by vast margins support Israel, you've been a victim of disinformation. " Possible, there is lots of disinformation going on. My wording also might have been bad, but by my definition and understanding orthodox jews aim for a 100% jewish state. And Israel is not 100% jewish, but tries a mixture as they also have arab and beduin population with voting rights. So orthodox jews surely mostly support Israe…

"By my understanding Orthodox Jews aim for a 100% Jewish state" Most of my family is Orthodox, I was raised Orthodox, and have a pretty clear understanding of Orthodoxy's views on Israel (which is generally pro-Israel). You are confusing various ultra-Orthodox (also called "Haredi") sects, some of whom are anti-Zionist, but not for the reasons you're giving — in fact, the largest anti-Zionist Haredi sect (although "l…

Post by amanaplanacanal » Thu, May 25, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

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> That will never happen though. Israel would become a minority Jewish nation. Do you have a good overview source how many arabs/jews live in the occupied regions?

The State of Israel (including Area C under the Oslo Accords) had a population of ~9,650,000, of which ~7,100,600 are Jewish (for reference, about 600,000 are settlers in Area C, 250,000 of whom are in East Jerusalem). ~3,990,000 Palestinians (Muslim & Christian) live in Areas A and B. If Israel were to annex Areas A, B, and C, the total population would be ~13,650,000, with 7,100,000 Jewish people and ~6,550,000 Mus…

Post by mschuster91 » Thu, May 25, 2023, 4:56 PM UTC

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Is it really domestic when the effective governing body in Gaza and some of the West Bank is Hamas? Should we not sanction countries ruled by terrorist organizations?

> Should we not sanction countries ruled by terrorist organizations? Correct. The punishment should fit the crime. Being born in a location run by a terrorist organization is not a crime. This idea of group punishment is a very slippery slope and I believe you've already slide down it. As I pointed out in the previous comment, there are domestic terrorists in the US. And I'll go even further, members of the US curren…

Post by the_only_law » Thu, May 25, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #166

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OK, so your ministers are targeted, but everyday citizens are not. It's now trivial to work around sanctions and they don't matter at all. When your sanctions are symbolic, that's fine. When they're meant to actually have an economic impact, that doesn't work. There's an argument for fomenting dissent against the government causing the sanctions, too. If there were good, easy solutions, it wouldn't be the conflict th…

"It's now trivial to work around sanctions and they don't matter at all." Putin did not dare to travel to south africa. The Oligarchs cannot use their Yachts anymore and their international assets are frozen(and they are not happy about it). That sounds like pretty effective targeted sanctions to me.

Post by dathinab » Thu, May 25, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

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Does US law have anything to say about private companies supporting human rights abuse in other countries through their policies?

If it did, almost none of the top companies in the US would exists anymore. Of course it doesn't.