Does US law have anything to say about private companies supporting human rights abuse in other countries through their policies?
US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the other way around. If you're flagged for AML investigation, telling you it would be tipping off and explicitely illegal.
If you are engaged in money laundering then the very fact that your funds were frozen is enough of the tip-off. If you’re not then they might as well tell you about their suspicions. If you were mixed up in some money laundering scheme involuntarily you might even be willing to help the investigation
If the only confirm cases where the user isn’t suspected of money laundering, the non-confirmation becomes equivalent to confirmation that the user is suspected of money laundering.
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I don't understand the confusion on this topic. One side will pay the family of a suicide bomber that murders innocent civilians, the other won't. It's not complicated" Not complicated? Just compare the civilian casualties on both sides. Afaik they are way higher on the palestine side. When the IDF bombs a refugee camp, to take out one terrorist, they still consistently hit bystanders. And before the IDF was militar…
There are many more Israeli civilian casualties as a result of terrorist action. Though there are Palestinians who have been killed by Palestinian terrorists as well. But I would add them to the tally of civilians casualties of palestinian terror. Not clear where you’re getting that more palestinians have died from terrorism. The IDF doesn’t regularly bomb refugee camps to take out one terrorist. They often have prec…
> The IDF has very often canceled a strike due to civilians/children getting too close.
If that's true how did this happen as a single example of many:
"Israel stated it fired on the school in response to militant gunfire believed to be coming from al-Fakhura. A UN inquiry said that there was no firing from within the school and there were no explosives within the school."
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#124Does US law have anything to say about private companies supporting human rights abuse in other countries through their policies?
If it did, almost none of the top companies in the US would exists anymore. Of course it doesn't.
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#125I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."
The AML should really be update to something like...
Freeze the account, refer immediately to law enforcement, if LE doesn't take action within XX days, unfreeze the account.
AMLs exist for a reason. It's the "freeze the account with no end in sight" that's the real problem. It's not like freezing the account isn't going to tip off any actual money laundering operation, so the freeze is only partially doing what we want.
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't it rather Zionists usually support the settlers, with or against the government? (and orthodox jews don't recognize the israeli government as truly legitimate anyway) Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
>> Being a Zionist is simply supporting a Jewish state not everything the government does. > (and orthodox jews don't recognize the israeli government as truly legitimate anyway) Edit: a sibling comment questions the accuracy of the assertion that the majority of orthodox Jews support the Israeli state. I have no idea, so setting that point aside: Definite/indefinite articles matter. "A Jewish state" is not necessari…
Just like being anti-Trump doesn't mean you're anti-American, being pro-Israel doesn't mean being pro-Netanyahu (or pro whatever the government is at any specific time). I would guess that considering yourself a Zionist does actually correlate like 0.95+ with being pro-Israel, but "pro-Israel" doesn't correlate very well with specific Israeli government regimes or policies, and that many people are both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine at the same time (e.g. most two-state-solution supporting Jews). For example, Yesh Atid voters in Israel are very pro-Israel, but very anti-the-Netanyahu-government (they are the largest opposition party), and Yesh Atid explicitly supports the establishment of an independent Palestinian state.
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are many more Israeli civilian casualties as a result of terrorist action. Though there are Palestinians who have been killed by Palestinian terrorists as well. But I would add them to the tally of civilians casualties of palestinian terror. Not clear where you’re getting that more palestinians have died from terrorism. The IDF doesn’t regularly bomb refugee camps to take out one terrorist. They often have prec…
> The IDF has very often canceled a strike due to civilians/children getting too close. If that's true how did this happen as a single example of many: "Israel stated it fired on the school in response to militant gunfire believed to be coming from al-Fakhura. A UN inquiry said that there was no firing from within the school and there were no explosives within the school." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fakhura_s…
That appears to have been during an active conflict, not a precision strike. I’m not saying no civilians have ever been killed. I’m saying Israel takes great pains to protect civilian life.
You cherry picked a paragraph that makes it appear that Israel bombed a school, instead what actually happened was Israel returned fire at a location near a school, and the UN agrees it was fine.
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#128Paypal is trash, everyone should use something else anyways. Venmo is trash and sketchy AF (also part of PayPal).
100%. I don't use any payment/money apps and my life hasn't skipped a beat. If friends complain, I tell them to write me a check or give me cash. Works just fine.
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I don't understand the confusion on this topic. One side will pay the family of a suicide bomber that murders innocent civilians, the other won't. It's not complicated" Not complicated? Just compare the civilian casualties on both sides. Afaik they are way higher on the palestine side. When the IDF bombs a refugee camp, to take out one terrorist, they still consistently hit bystanders. And before the IDF was militar…
There are many more Israeli civilian casualties as a result of terrorist action. Though there are Palestinians who have been killed by Palestinian terrorists as well. But I would add them to the tally of civilians casualties of palestinian terror. Not clear where you’re getting that more palestinians have died from terrorism. The IDF doesn’t regularly bomb refugee camps to take out one terrorist. They often have prec…
"There are many more Israeli civilian casualties as a result of terrorist action. "
I really do not claim to be an expert of the conflict, but I try to be neutral and the first google result shows:
https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-cas...
"The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has been tracking deaths in the conflict since 2008 and its data shows that 5,600 Palestinians died up to 2020 while 115,000 were injured. 250 Israelis died during the same period while 5,600 were injured."
5600 vs 250
But sure, that text alone does not cite exactly who was killed, but even if you also count teenagers who throw rocks at walls as terrorists - then I still doubt you get a higher israeli death toll.
"The 2nd link was blown wildly out of proportion, a group of Israelis rioted and burnt down… a junk yard. "
And killed someone and wounded 4.
"In an active battle during a war non-combatants will die. Calling that terrorism is simply dishonest."
"Some of the Palestinian Arabs were killed in the course of the battle, others while trying to flee or surrender. A number of prisoners were executed, some after being paraded in West Jerusalem, where they were jeered, spat at, stoned, and eventually executed.[1][5][6] In addition to the killing and widespread looting, there may have been cases of mutilation and rape"
And this really does not sound like just ordinary combat casualties to me. Also are you aware of the context? The villagers were trying to defend their homes. They lived there. Why did they had to go away to make room for Israeli settlers? This is the core of the Palestine grief as far as I understand. They lived there and then they had to go away and live now in a prison without rights. I don't think the conflict can ever be resolved by just stating they are all terrorists. Now quite some of them are, sure, but maybe there are reasons, why they became that way?
Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories
#130People forget that just because a payment services is so entrenched and powerful that many people think of it more like a public utility doesn't mean it isn't just as amoral as any other company. Visa has shattered entire industries on a whim by deciding it was simply more profitable not to service certain classes of people or professions. Somehow they're allowed to do that. We need common-carrier rules for payment processors.