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Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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From looking at their job posting and their website it sure gave me a good impression of how great they are... Wait, no, see they (I'm assuming it's you now) didn't. They didn't explain why it is they offer something beyond money as an incentive to work for them. They don't talk about their passion, office situation, their work ethic, or what it is they're working on. The job posting itself was just bland and generic…

Ha. Everyone here encourages thinking that differs from ours. I suppose we are generic in the job posting (I really appreciate the feedback) and again, as I stated, we're trying to find someone who is looking for more than just money, someone looking for place to work where they fit in and feel at home. If you were trying to meet a decent girl with values, would you go around waving $100 bills and wearing diamond pen…

I kind of wish you would stop using that girlfriend analogy. If I wanted a decent nice girl to take home to mama I wouldn't be using okcupid or match.com or eharmony or even craigslist.

You're looking for an employee -- since you're not going to give them founder status -- and as such you simply want someone that exhibits more passion so that you can feel good about paying them. Or, in my cynical view, you want to exploit somebody that's willing to work more for what you're paying them for,hence the "options".

There's nothing wrong with that kind of behavior, as a business you do have to look for ways to maximize your cash and people like that do exist. The young-gogetters that are extremely talented and looking to work hard to impress and too inexperienced to know their true market value.

But the chances of finding someone like that is so rare, and considering other companies pay premium for something like that you would be lucky. And in your process you're going to end up with a lot of submissions from a wide variety of people. That's just how the cookies crumbles. This post doesn't really help with anything though...

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From looking at their job posting and their website it sure gave me a good impression of how great they are... Wait, no, see they (I'm assuming it's you now) didn't. They didn't explain why it is they offer something beyond money as an incentive to work for them. They don't talk about their passion, office situation, their work ethic, or what it is they're working on. The job posting itself was just bland and generic…

Ha. Everyone here encourages thinking that differs from ours. I suppose we are generic in the job posting (I really appreciate the feedback) and again, as I stated, we're trying to find someone who is looking for more than just money, someone looking for place to work where they fit in and feel at home. If you were trying to meet a decent girl with values, would you go around waving $100 bills and wearing diamond pen…

No, but I think there's a happy medium.

I'd _show_ her how great my family & friends are, how hard I work and how well I'd treat her.

Unless it was just a random bar hook up.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From looking at their job posting and their website it sure gave me a good impression of how great they are... Wait, no, see they (I'm assuming it's you now) didn't. They didn't explain why it is they offer something beyond money as an incentive to work for them. They don't talk about their passion, office situation, their work ethic, or what it is they're working on. The job posting itself was just bland and generic…

Ha. Everyone here encourages thinking that differs from ours. I suppose we are generic in the job posting (I really appreciate the feedback) and again, as I stated, we're trying to find someone who is looking for more than just money, someone looking for place to work where they fit in and feel at home. If you were trying to meet a decent girl with values, would you go around waving $100 bills and wearing diamond pen…

We're trying to find someone who would be looking at this as an opportunity

The onus is on you to show that this job is an opportunity - that's what a job advert is for. Sorry, but your ad fails to do that.

If you're a startup, you don't need to emphasize wii and ping pong. You need to show that the candidate has a chance to be an important part of a successful company, and might make some fairly significant money if that happens.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Right, I suppose I should have been more candid. We are in the final stages of the development of the product. So there is no revenue; we're paying market (45-60k) plus options, but we're not ready to just dish that out to anyone. It's kind of like finding a girlfriend. If you're filthy rich (and its obvious) than the playing field becomes uneven. We want people who are motivated by long-term opportunity, not taking…

45-60k is market? :/ ouch.

Maybe in the Idaho market.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Paying people what they used to get paid +1 is such a yes-man brigade. "Oh so & so gave you that, we should do that too". I understand why companies do it, but there has to be a better way. More incentives? More equity? Back end performance driven pay? One data point does not equal market rate. And other factors: work hours, environment, benefits, perks, etc are just as important. Has anyone else dealt with this at t…

It's the fast and dirty way to establish the value of a person. If HR actually did their jobs, it wouldn't be happening or matter. A good HR staff would pinpoint the right candidates, fit them into the right group, and be able to negotiate them to maximize the company's budget.

But then, I only worked at big corps.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Maybe in the Idaho market.

Now I feel undervalued making 60k in SF bay area three years ago :(

It really depends on what you're doing, where you're doing it and who you're doing it for. If you were a writer 3 years ago, you were banking it.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Right, I suppose I should have been more candid. We are in the final stages of the development of the product. So there is no revenue; we're paying market (45-60k) plus options, but we're not ready to just dish that out to anyone. It's kind of like finding a girlfriend. If you're filthy rich (and its obvious) than the playing field becomes uneven. We want people who are motivated by long-term opportunity, not taking…

45-60k is market? :/ ouch.

It is in Broward and Palm Beach county, Florida.
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