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US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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But they made the misstake of being born at the wrong place.

Unlike the Russians facing issues due to the actions of their government? Do you think they are all guilty, all deserving of sanction and economic hardship? Of course not, but what's the alternative?

"Of course not, but what's the alternative?"

Targeting only the people in charge?

Targeting everyone is a good recipe of uniting them all behind the bad ones.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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If you are engaged in money laundering then the very fact that your funds were frozen is enough of the tip-off. If you’re not then they might as well tell you about their suspicions. If you were mixed up in some money laundering scheme involuntarily you might even be willing to help the investigation

Maybe, but not legally.

Exactly. I spent 11+ years in a Fortune 500 financial services company, and my annual anti-money laundering training always stressed (and included one quiz question) that if you saw something fishy, escalate to Compliance, and UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES share suspicions with clients. Even if some aspect of the regulation doesn't make much sense, you do not cross the regulators.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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> It’s antisemitic to even suggest there’s an occupied Palestine. How?

People with loooong memories will say that Islamic Palestine arose after the forcible removal of Jewish culture from the area after the Jewish wars against Rome, at which point the Romans relabelled the area from Judea to Syria Palestina. Therefore the idea that Palestinians are 'indigenous' is in contention, since the diasporic Jewish people retained their language and customs in the interim, and then sought refuge…

OK thanks for the answer I guess. That seems like a lot of technical scaffolding to disqualify the use of a common, useful, and mostly accurate shorthand description of the current political arrangement there. I will continue to call it an occupation and continue to get called antisemitic for that probably.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Pretty amazing how nonchalant you’re talking about theft. I guess the approved strategy for legal theft is as follows. 1. Create a payments company that accepts deposits and holds balances (a bank — but don’t call it that) 2. Create a broken AML algorithm that flags X% of deposits as fraud 3. Force the falsely accused to take you to court to get their money back 4. Keep the rest. Most people won’t contest What a grea…

I think they are required by law to do so. At least in the US.

What law?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban. The last straw for me was when they blocked a transaction of a few hundred dollars without any explaination. I was talking to a support rep for well over an hour, repeatedly being told that there is no security team at PayPal that can see why a transaction was blocked…

> I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban. I'd rather have the government enforce something like user-friendly free globally available instant payment and settlement system. Then none of these shady services would be required. Fox example, a version of SWIFT, but instant, free and distributed.

I'd be happy for that system to exist in the private sector. Can't say I'd be too happy to see the federal government have a monopoly of all transaction data and censorship powers though.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."

It's the other way around. If you're flagged for AML investigation, telling you it would be tipping off and explicitely illegal.

It does kinda seem like if it's flagged for investigation... like, eventually an investigation should happen, right? And then you either get your money back or are charged with a crime?

I get that that's not what actually happens, but it's pretty weird that it doesn't. They can't tell you about it because it's flagged for investigation. When's the investigation? Never.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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>lawmakers urge Shouldn't lawmakers, um, make laws? Instead of asking nicely?

They don't have a majority sufficient to make such a law (or a super-majority to override a veto).

Correct - the letter was signed by 11 out of 535 members of congress.

...and it was the very vocal anti-Israeli ones, such as Rashida Tlaib

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Given the recent seizure of crypto accounts funnelling money to Hamas and Iran[0], this seems pretty sensible, to funnel more financial activity in the region onto platforms that have good AML/ATF processes. [0]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seizes-30-crypto-wallet...

It might as well be that the only reason why Iran and others are active in Palestine is because it’s blockaded.

Before all this they had legal and fair election where they elected a terrorist org: Hamas.

Stop infantilizing an entire people. They are adults with their own agency. They are responsible for the decisions they make.

The reason a terrorist group runs things there is because they want it to. In fact, if elections were held today, Hamas would lose… to Islamic Jihad because they’re more radical. Support for Hamas has been waning in recent years not because they’re a failed government but because they’ve failed to deliver serious harm to Israelis. The reason Iran is active there is because their interests are aligned (destroy Israel). The reason PayPal doesn’t operate there is because the AML/KYC would be much too expensive for the amount of money they could possibly make on entering that market. The reason these “lawmakers” are agitating for this is because they hate the state of Israel.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."

They have specific laws that BAN them from giving detailed reasons for why they froze your accounts. Giving you a reason, or sometimes even hinting that there might be a problem, would be classified as "tipping off", which is a federal crime and can land even the lowliest finance worker in jail. People need to read up on AML (anti-money laundering) laws. They are a bit insane. Know them because I've worked in regulat…

So even if there are no suspicions of money-laundering, they can't tell you why the account is frozen? Because otherwise, if they won't tell you why, it must be AML?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Even if there are some who would benefit from this (and they have plenty of others methods), should we make it easier for terrorists to transfer money through Paypal?

Literally do a web search for any first world country and domestic terrorism and you'll find an instance of it. The argument you have made also implies that USA should be disconnected from PayPal.

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That's how many explosive rockets Palestine fired at civilian targets in Israel in 2022.

Sorry but that isn't remotely equivalent.

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