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it sounds like we need an anti-OFAC law. Instead of only telling companies who they can't transact with, tell them who they can't arbitrarily not transact with. We need a financial bill of rights. Custody and payment rails should be like public utilities where everyone can use them regardless of your opinions about them.
Any financial bill of rights passed would not apply to Palestinians
I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."
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However they do have the power to end a boycott, either directly or indirectly (see the laws passed by various states regarding refusing to do business with Israel).
The ones that criminalize participating in a boycott? A fourth grader can identity those as flatly unconstitutional.
I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."
> your account is frozen but we won't tell you why If they suspect fraud, they aren't allowed to tell you about it. They also aren't allowed to give you your money back (incase the money is laundered). The only way to get your money back is to get a court to order them to give it back. The process is fairly simple - go to a small claims court, and ask the court to order them to give the money back. They won't contest…
1. Create a payments company that accepts deposits and holds balances (a bank — but don’t call it that)
2. Create a broken AML algorithm that flags X% of deposits as fraud
3. Force the falsely accused to take you to court to get their money back
4. Keep the rest. Most people won’t contest
What a great “business” model.
I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban. The last straw for me was when they blocked a transaction of a few hundred dollars without any explaination. I was talking to a support rep for well over an hour, repeatedly being told that there is no security team at PayPal that can see why a transaction was blocked…
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these aren’t solders on either end. If a Palestinian non combatant resident kills an Israeli child. The Palestinian or their surviving family will get a payment. And yes, many Israeli children have been killed through such programs.
If a Israeli kills a Palestinian child (like this [0]) and is later killed himself, would his family receive survivorship benefits? If Palestinian fighting men aren't soldiers does that mean Israel is killing non combatants? [0] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/eight-palestinian-chil...
War is ugly, but as a global society we do have some idea about the difference between combat and terrorism. Firing rockets indiscriminately into a civilian area is not combat. Hiding your guns, bombs, and bases inside of civilian buildings is not some idle decision.
The biggest losers of the Palestinian propaganda machine are the Palestinians themselves, and they are not the ones funding it. They are victims of this proxy war. It's a terrible situation, and it will continue to be terrible so long as it being a terrible situation is a precondition of the funding the terrorist governments receive. Hence, PayPal's ban.
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That's not going to be possible, alone because there are countries like Iran or North Korea or maybe-countries like Palestine which are sanctioned for good reasons.
What good reasons? Kim Jung Un can send boats with gold bars. Meanwhile I can't send money without the bank asking me 'what ya gonna do with "your" money little friend?' Just have the money in escrow for 30 days or whatever if fraud is a concern. It is all about messing with us and showing who is in charge.
Which is orders of magnitude more complex than running a SWIFT transfer, which is the entire goal of the sanctions: make it as hard as possible for the sanctioned country to do anything. Everyone knows and we've seen it over the last years that it is possible to evade any sanction - hell, even over many decades like Cuba - but it is a serious incentive for any government to do as told.
> Meanwhile I can't send money without the bank asking me 'what ya gonna do with "your" money little friend?'
Most of that bullshit comes from the "war on drugs" and "war on sex work" which are completely different beasts than international sanctions, and I think we can agree on both of these being ripe for the scrap heap.
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You do not believe that there are any Palestinians who might have legitimate uses for PayPal?
But they made the misstake of being born at the wrong place.
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Being a Zionist and supporting settlers are not mutual. Being a Zionist is simply supporting a Jewish state not everything the government does.
(and orthodox jews don't recognize the israeli government as truly legitimate anyway)
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