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Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by holografix »

Pathetic mixed messaging from a hypocritical CEO.

Releases the most powerful LLM the world has seen pretty much publicly and next to free.

However now that he has the lead wants everyone to be regulated and now allowed to open source it.

Tells the US gov, where his competition is mostly likely to come from that they need regulation.

Tells the EU, where the actual enforcement of privacy and legislation happens via billion dollars fines, that he doesn’t want regulation.

Comical display.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by Fnoord »

ho_schi wrote: post #62
chii wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

… no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first. What? It is the duty of politics to protect the citizens and environment - also proactively. From reckless CEOs, greedy shareholders and lawyers which claim that it wasn’t strictly forbidden to cause harm. Politics isn’t doing always right. The Cookie-Directive tried to make misuse of Cookies illegal. Actually it made web browsing horrible and created further q…

(Harm has already been shown. Its more nuanced than this.)

Also proactively, indeed, but usually rather reactive. Why bother with say cops on the street to check for weapons when civilians tend to not carry them there? Proactive is rather: seemingly proactive, like AI is seemingly intelligent. In reality 101, its reactive, but the quality of the reactivity matters (speed, thoroughness, accuracy, transparency, cost, etc). Some of these qualitative measures are at odds with each other.

> And then they forbid stuff which can cause cancer…that was smart!

Tobacco is regulated; not forbidden.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by orwin »

bionhoward wrote: post #60
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first. I used to be, but some of the modern crop of CEOs has taken the wind out of that. They have done tremendous damage, very quickly, and the regulation has been unable to keep up, until severe damage has already been done. Once the bullet has left the gun, it can't be stuffed back in.

Can you be more specific, with examples? Who did what?

Uber and Airbnb?

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by jamincan »

themitigating wrote: post #65
eterevsky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations. There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI compan…

So it's subjective right? The balance. Since a company is usually harmed by increased regulation their opinion is biased. But there's no oppposite to this. Governments don't benefit if companies leave and in fact they lose out. This also includes the population (jobs etc) that means the opinion of the government isn't biased.

> Since a company is usually harmed by increased regulation their opinion is biased.

I know this is the prevailing point of view in business, but is it actually true? How many bank failures would have been avoided if US banking regulations hadn't been slackened so much?

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by blibble »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #22
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #12

So, he wants regulation but only if it benefits him: https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-...

why else would anyone want it?

the professed aim of the company is to protect humanity by building benevolent AGI

I suppose now it's now obvious to everyone that that's a lie

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by chii »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28
chii wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

> I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first. I used to be, but some of the modern crop of CEOs has taken the wind out of that. They have done tremendous damage, very quickly, and the regulation has been unable to keep up, until severe damage has already been done. Once the bullet has left the gun, it can't be stuffed back in.

> the regulation has been unable to keep up

it's because the gov't is not incentivized properly. I think they should be pressured to keep up. This isn't an argument to "pre-regulate", because incompetence at the gov't can be fixed!

> Once the bullet has left the gun, it can't be stuffed back in.

But once many people start shooting guns willy-nilly, you start regulating guns. But not before.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by chii »

orwin wrote: post #83
bionhoward wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you be more specific, with examples? Who did what?

Uber and Airbnb?

Uber brought ride sharing and cracked the taxi market wide open - perhaps to the benefit of riders.

Airbnb is also a boon for travellers looking to stay cheap, and a boon for property owners to cash in on underutilized real estate.

The "harm" that has been cited to have been caused by them are only the incumbents that do not move with the market or times.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by chii »

themitigating wrote: post #66
chii wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

Why wait until harm occurs to regulate?

Why pay a cost to regulate, if it may not ever be needed?

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by Fnoord »

ilyt wrote: post #48

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Yep, though I wouldn't call him names. Stay civil; its not needed to call names to make your point.

In a nutshell: he asks for it to please those who are concerned yet on the fence. Whereas he won't give up in EU without a fight.

Also, he's American, not European. His interest could very well lie in whatever benefits the American people primarily, instead of whatever benefits the rest of the world. As long as he gets away with it.

I mean, Facebook and Google are getting away spying on users all over the world.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by spacebanana7 »

ilyt wrote: post #52
spacebanana7 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU market is too big to ignore It's not what it used to be. The EU's makes up around 15-20% of world GDP depending on how you measure it, but that's subject to disproportionality high taxes and compliance costs. Meta only gets around 10% of its ad earnings from the EU [1]. I'm not aware of the figures for Google and Microsoft or whether such figures are even available. Many global banks left the US or reduced it to…

Tell investors you're throwing away 10% of the market and they will fire you > The EU's makes up around 15-20% of world GDP depending on how you measure it, but that's subject to disproportionality high taxes and compliance costs. That would have to be corrected for tech spendings, for example the fact asia produces most of the electronics have zero effect on facebook's business profits.

Google search and many other big tech divisions already did that with China.

When a country/region deviates from the rest of the world in a big way there comes a point at which you can't offer the same products and services as other markets.

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