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Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by soco »

eterevsky wrote: post #26
jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations. There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI compan…

The regulation is meant to protect the EU citizens which couldn't care less about the financial incentives of a US company or their hype du jour. If hypothetically no AI can be created with respecting the citizens, what should the choice be, block or accept Skynet? (I said "hypothetically")

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by xiphias2 »

soco wrote: post #71
eterevsky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations. There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI compan…

The regulation is meant to protect the EU citizens which couldn't care less about the financial incentives of a US company or their hype du jour. If hypothetically no AI can be created with respecting the citizens, what should the choice be, block or accept Skynet? (I said "hypothetically")

As an EU citizen I think it's about joining SkyNet or falling behind in productivity. I prefer joining SkyNet.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by blibble »

eterevsky wrote: post #26
jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations. There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI compan…

> Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations.

have you read the EU's proposed approach to regulating AI?

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/regulatory...

it seems to be an extremely reasonable approach to me, if anything a little too lax

the problem for OpenAI is its products can't easily be segregated into the different risk buckets...

and they want ChatGPT wired into the high risk areas as that's where the profit is

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by newshorts »

teekert wrote: post #27

Hmm, for a moment I thought there must be an error in the title and it should be "Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's ISN'T Any Real AI Regulation" But no, He is in front of US congress arguing for regulation, he is in the EU arguing against regulation. It's pretty obvious he's after whatever (de)regulation supports his business model. But I guess that's just his job. Let's hope regulators don't forge…

The real take away is that he’s out front shaping regulation before it impacts him.

In the US he knows it’s easy to manipulate our policy with a little song and dance because our policy makers don’t understand what they are looking at.

It’s a different story in the EU where you have competent leaders.

That seems to be the reason for the inverse approach.

US: “let me help you write the regulations ;)”

EU: “you’re gonna be behind it you regulate me :0”

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by themitigating »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #35
chii wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

This is a normal negotiation tactic on the part of OpenAI. Businesses often say they will leave a jurisdiction or be forced to shut down if X regulation is put in place.

It's a tactic of all businesses. In the US they play states against each other to get higher and higher tax breaks for moving.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by robertlagrant »

soco wrote: post #71
eterevsky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations. There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI compan…

The regulation is meant to protect the EU citizens which couldn't care less about the financial incentives of a US company or their hype du jour. If hypothetically no AI can be created with respecting the citizens, what should the choice be, block or accept Skynet? (I said "hypothetically")

> If hypothetically no AI can be created with respecting the citizens

The problem is you're assuming the people writing the regulations are perfect. It's not that bad AI should exist, it's that we're probably at least a decade away from regulators even having a hope of starting to understand what's going on.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by ggm »

The implicit threat is fascinating. He clearly believes in a higher authority around what is or is not acceptable regulation. From whence comes this magical source of authority and reason? I mean sure, arbitrary law is bad. But does he truly ideate the EU like that?

I wonder what jurisdiction he winds up in and why?

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by chii »

ho_schi wrote: post #62
chii wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

… no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first. What? It is the duty of politics to protect the citizens and environment - also proactively. From reckless CEOs, greedy shareholders and lawyers which claim that it wasn’t strictly forbidden to cause harm. Politics isn’t doing always right. The Cookie-Directive tried to make misuse of Cookies illegal. Actually it made web browsing horrible and created further q…

vaccines are like the medicine analogy to regulation.

You have to first prove that it is not going to do more harm than good. And without knowing what sort of harm AI's do - it's all theoretical at the moment - any regulation is merely speculating a harm, and the cost of prevention might be high (or stifling).

ABS and ESP in cars came _after_ harm was shown. And so is emission controls, and crash-related safety measures and testing/certification.

> And then they forbid stuff which can cause cancer…that was smart!

which makes sense, as those stuff has been shown to cause cancer.

In other words, harm has to be shown, rather than speculated, before regulation is desirable.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by sokoloff »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #67
sokoloff wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do Sam or pg have to do with CoPilot?

Copilot is powered by OpenAI Codex

Thank you; TIL!

I assumed without checking that Microsoft would have their own competitive offering in the space.

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