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Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by Laaas »

jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

The title of the article is undoubtedly a lie.

"any real regulation" does not match in any way what was said.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by spacebanana7 »

shafyy wrote: post #11

EU market is too big to ignore. We have seen this with Meta and others play out multiple times since GDPR has been increasingly enforced in the past decade. That's why it's important the EU keeps pushing, hopefully mostly sensible, regulation. There is no other counterweight that's aligned with consumer interests rather than corporate interests. Sure, you can accuse EU of hidden protectionisms blabla, but for now, th…

> EU market is too big to ignore

It's not what it used to be.

The EU's makes up around 15-20% of world GDP depending on how you measure it, but that's subject to disproportionality high taxes and compliance costs.

Meta only gets around 10% of its ad earnings from the EU [1]. I'm not aware of the figures for Google and Microsoft or whether such figures are even available.

Many global banks left the US or reduced it to skeleton operations after the wave of regulation following '08. Unfriendly enough behaviour might cause a similar reaction from tech in the EU.

[1] "What we do know is that roughly 10% of worldwide ad revenue comes from ads delivered to Facebook users in E.U. countries", Meta CFO Susan Li quoted on stratechery, https://stratechery.com/2023/metas-low-e-u-arpu-the-supreme-...

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by ohgodplsno »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #22
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #12

So, he wants regulation but only if it benefits him: https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-...

why else would anyone want it?

Anyone with an ounce of consideration for others will want regulation, on any sbuject. Otherwise, we'd be driving around doing 150 in cities.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by ChrisLTD »

chii wrote: post #20
jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

This is a normal negotiation tactic on the part of OpenAI. Businesses often say they will leave a jurisdiction or be forced to shut down if X regulation is put in place.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by rvz »

Oh no! This time we really have to be 'Open AI' and actually be 'open' and 'transparent' about our models and training methods this time?

More regulations for thee, but not for me (O̶p̶e̶n̶AI.com). But little do the regulators know that the majority owner (Microsoft) will lobby and bribe them a little to have regulations to benefit both O̶p̶e̶n̶AI.com and Microsoft, etc over everyone else.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by dijit »

I've spoken to many people in the USA that are anti-union and anti-regulation.

The impression they have is that regulation is used to stomp out small businesses (and unions have some propensity for corruption).

The EU regulation does not come with the same feelings, aside from the very aggressive FUD around GDPR. EU regulation is typically seen as something for the consumer/public good and not intended to stifle competition.

With that in mind, it's interesting to see him arguing for regulation in the US, yet against regulation in the EU.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by nrtlal »

naillo wrote: post #33

Paulg complaining about the EU regulations while ignoring Sams congress hearing is just a crazy contrast and hypocricy to me.

I like paulg, but in one of his essays he complained about jocks stealing the Nerds' lunch money and that software engineering was a way to avoid the jocks.

Now, his protege is attempting to steal the Nerds' lunch money with CoPilot.

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