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Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by bilbo0s »

henearkr wrote: post #2

One day he says AI is frightening and must be regulated, one other day he says I don't want AI regulations...

If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible.

He didn't say he doesn't want them. He said AIs, for a lot of reasons, may not be able to operate within the confines of potential regulations. For a simple example, they may be trained on work that was not properly licensed in the EU. That's only one compliance challenge in one dimension, but there are a large number of dimensions in which AIs might fall outside the mandated parameters.

Obviously people will try, but there are reality based technical limitations.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by eterevsky »

jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

> If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet.

Conversely if the AI system is reasonable, but the regulations are making them illegal, then the blame is on the regulations.

There is a trade-off between potential benefits and potential harm, and it's not immediately clear to me, who is in the better position to find it: the AI companies or the legislators. The first are biased because they want to sell their products, but the second have worse understanding of the technology and are IMO on average too over-protective.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by teekert »

Hmm, for a moment I thought there must be an error in the title and it should be "Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's ISN'T Any Real AI Regulation"

But no, He is in front of US congress arguing for regulation, he is in the EU arguing against regulation.

It's pretty obvious he's after whatever (de)regulation supports his business model. But I guess that's just his job.

Let's hope regulators don't forget it is their job to represent the people's interests... I mean, whatever those may be in this case, I'm not claiming it's easy, I'm just claiming that Sam may not be the person to have the people's interests at the top of his list.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

chii wrote: post #20
jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

By proclaiming they'd leave if they can't comply, it might cause the EU regulators to "self-censor" the regulation such that it's "easy to comply". but tbh, i dont see what the regulations would be. I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

> I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first.

I used to be, but some of the modern crop of CEOs has taken the wind out of that. They have done tremendous damage, very quickly, and the regulation has been unable to keep up, until severe damage has already been done.

Once the bullet has left the gun, it can't be stuffed back in.

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Post by SanderNL »

I don't know how AI regulation will work, but wouldn't it be feasible to restrict regulation to usage in specific domains? Like how you can regulate software used in finance, health care and others but you can't just restrict "software" in the general case. You can't prevent me from making a good health care suite, it's just that I might not be able to operate it for profit and thus not expose the general public to it - which I find sensible.

I would find it amazingly depressing if capable AI like GPT4(+) in general was blocked to the public, like it were heavy assault vehicles or nuclear devices.

Just block specific instances of it. Just block WhateverShadyStartupDecidingIfYouGetAJob using GPT for example, I'm fine with that. If I can replicate their work at home, leave me be. Regarding this tech as if it were explosive devices is way too heavy handed for my taste.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by janejeon »

jeroenhd wrote: post #5

> If we can comply, we will, and if we can’t, we’ll cease operating… We will try. But there are technical limits to what’s possible. Isn't that what any normal company does? Comply until it's impossible to operate legally? They can choose between ceasing to operate or getting arrested. If the AI regulations are reasonable and AI companies can't operate, the technology just isn't ready for wide-spread adoption yet. Se…

Yeah, sounds like a reasonable take (the title makes it a bit more... inflammatory?).

Of course all business should comply until they can't, at which point it's really not their problem anymore. I think it's perfectly fine to say "hey, we did our best", but if it still isn't enough, to simply not play the game.

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