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Re: Chinese Businesses Fueling the Fentanyl Epidemic Receive Millions in Crypto

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Post by justrealist »

kibwen wrote: post #39
justrealist wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This advice might have been true for pot or cocaine or even heroin, but is demonstrably untrue for Fentanyl. It's simply too strong. Once you're on it, you don't want help, or a life — you want Fentanyl. I'm sorry, but the rules have changed, and policy needs to adapt.

This is trying to say that decriminalizing opioid usage is not the solution; in that case, what is the solution that you propose? The war on drugs has demonstrably been a spectacular failure thus far.

> The war on drugs has demonstrably been a spectacular failure thus far.

The US war on drugs has not done well. But there are other countries which in fact have almost no drug use — Singapore, Taiwan, China, among others. There demonstrably are ways to wage a war on drugs in a democracy that work.

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Post by 1letterunixname »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6

This is a phenomenal showcase for the utter failure of the war on drugs. Regulate it, tax it, ensure folks can safely use, and help them stop using when they're ready.

Portugal is the showcase. There are too many ignorant commenters who would rather continue wasting treasure on the failed, racist, militarized Prohibition and enrichment of criminals instead of adapting to what works in the real world: harm reduction and healthcare, not throw away the key.

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Post by xiphias2 »

BTC/USDT is easy to use but too easy to follow unless the person is going to extreme lengths to protect their anonimity (which generally drug dealers don't do, as it takes a huge amount of discipline).

A graph analysis can show the whole trading network.

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Post by glerk »

justrealist wrote: post #51
kibwen wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is trying to say that decriminalizing opioid usage is not the solution; in that case, what is the solution that you propose? The war on drugs has demonstrably been a spectacular failure thus far.

> The war on drugs has demonstrably been a spectacular failure thus far. The US war on drugs has not done well. But there are other countries which in fact have almost no drug use — Singapore, Taiwan, China, among others. There demonstrably are ways to wage a war on drugs in a democracy that work.

Ah yes countries where you face long prison sentences or, in the case of Singapore, the death penalty, for weed possession. This is the kind of society you want to live in?

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Post by onethought »

gaadd33 wrote: post #49
onethought wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

United States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought. Drawing a distinction that the US is completely seperate from the British Empire is pretty dishonest. If you mean the "state" sure, by definition, but it's culture, origin, people, primary (though not official) language all came from the British empire.

Aren't Americans of German descent the largest group in the country? I didn't think that Americans of English/British descent were anywhere close (I would guess third at best, after Irish descent)

Guess that's why the war of independence was with the germans... ;)

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Post by throw_m239339 »

1letterunixname wrote: post #52
candiddevmike wrote: post #6

This is a phenomenal showcase for the utter failure of the war on drugs. Regulate it, tax it, ensure folks can safely use, and help them stop using when they're ready.

Portugal is the showcase. There are too many ignorant commenters who would rather continue wasting treasure on the failed, racist, militarized Prohibition and enrichment of criminals instead of adapting to what works in the real world: harm reduction and healthcare, not throw away the key.

> Portugal is the showcase. There are too many ignorant commenters who would rather continue wasting treasure on the failed, racist, militarized Prohibition and enrichment of criminals instead of adapting to what works in the real world: harm reduction and healthcare, not throw away the key.

That websites says:

> Portugal has not changed the legal status of any drugs. They all remain illegal, however, the offence for possession has been changed from a criminal to a civil one.

> Portugal decriminalised use and possession of all drugs in a way that moves the focus from criminal punishment to treatment.

> Drugs are not freely available, and they cannot legally be sold. If you are caught with a possession quantity of a drug, there are still civil consequences.

> The manufacture, importation and sale of drugs is still very illegal. Even growing your own cannabis is still a criminal matter, as is the possession of cannabis seeds.

So is this what the parent means when they say "regulate it, tax it"? How are recreational drugs "taxed" when they remain illegal?

https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/archi...

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Post by dragonwriter »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #31
what-no-tests wrote: post #18

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> Two wrongs do not make a right. How is that different than karma?

> > Two wrongs do not make a right. > How is that different than karma? Because the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire. Karma[0]: the force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence Even when extending the definition from "a person" to "a country",…

> the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire.

The United States, shortly before calling itself the United Colonies, and shortly before that calling itself the Continental Association was formed as a group of colonies in British North America with common grievances against the government in London that it initially directed to the King within, and backed by an embargo against much of the rest of, the Empire. That attempt to improve the government of their part of the Empire to their satsifaction failing, they subsequently declared and eventually secured independence.

Which is to say that while it didn’t change its name to the United States until it had decided to exit the Empire, the organization that became known as the United States was formed as an association and agenda within the British Empire.

More to the point, the US, while not a belligerent in the Opium Wars, was a participant in the unequal treaties imposed through them (and played “good cop” while the British and French used force after the treaties relating to the 2nd Opium War were signed to secure their ratification.)

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Post by 1letterunixname »

kragen wrote: post #46
next_xibalba wrote: post #8

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though i wouldn't recommend starting, lots of junkies do live to a ripe old age without suffering any worse effects than constipation but not if their supply chains are constantly being disrupted and/or substituted with different opiates in unknown dosages

I know of a kind, scruffy, old homeless gent in the south SF Bay Area with awful bent back and no teeth. He admitted to being hooked on heroin for most of his adult life. His mind was actually quite sharp and intact for any age but his body was a trainwreck.

Meth mouth is also a thing, but that's different. Folks who use meth look have a look like they use drugs. They look both sickly and old. I recall my mother's second cousin (similar age) who looked about twice my mom's age because she used meth.

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Post by justrealist »

glerk wrote: post #54
justrealist wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The war on drugs has demonstrably been a spectacular failure thus far. The US war on drugs has not done well. But there are other countries which in fact have almost no drug use — Singapore, Taiwan, China, among others. There demonstrably are ways to wage a war on drugs in a democracy that work.

Ah yes countries where you face long prison sentences or, in the case of Singapore, the death penalty , for weed possession. This is the kind of society you want to live in?

No, I don't want the death penalty for dealing or consuming weed.

But yes, I think a death penalty for dealing fentanyl is appropriate.

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Post by 1letterunixname »

dismalpedigree wrote: post #13
quantified wrote: post #9

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Showcase the hardcore users to scare kids straight.

This is your brain on drugs.

Just say "no" to any more out-of-touch, tone-deaf Nancy Reagans bringing their tired PSAs.
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