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A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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And it hasn't been translated into English yet? This is a viral marketing campaign if ever I saw one; it should be a publisher's wet dream. "The nobel-prize winning novel that the CIA doesn't want you to read! "

Wikipedia has a list of selected editions.

The first english edition was in 1963, the first american one in 1964.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

#132

There isn't much need to suppress novels anymore. People no longer have sufficient attention span to even finish a 5 minute video and need to be fed bite-sized shorts. No need to kill the producer, consumers have been killed.

Refuting adopted positions on complex issues usually requires more than the five minutes allotted either in video programming format or in the conditioned mind you describe. Concision reinforces the conventional narrative as explained in this 5 minute video https://youtu.be/xIbfl7OQ0y4.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Hopefully on topic: a good English language book on the CIA origin story is “The Devil’s Chessboard” that was a fascinating read. While most of my reading is technical and science fiction, I also really enjoy reading history. It is difficult to understand the world ‘in real time’ but looking back into history more things make sense.

In a democracy, it is important to really understand history, what we got right and what we got wrong. If we want a better world, we need to learn from history.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Not that I wanna encourage piracy or anything but here the book is in Spanish and English: https://libgen.rs/fiction/46DAEF09199182E5928922587419E1F3 http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=C8E7CC541E6855E0034FC6D0...

I doubt the author is getting royalties six feet under. Thanks for the links.

OTOH, the translation is new, and a good translation is a work that deserves compensation.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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I don't know about your source but if it is true, then I'm very happy to be mistaken.

I love the irony here. You had so little attention span you made an unsourced old-man-shouting-at-clouds comment that people have little in the way of attention spans... ...and then couldn't be bothered to investigate, out of intellectual curiosity, an easily verified statement by someone replying to you.

That's an unjustified stretch. You're reaching for a non-existent "ironic switcheroo".

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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The official formation of the CIA was also only a formality, it essentially already existed in its components and other forms, e.g., the OSS. You can’t get so fixated on the official title, it’s the underlying people and their motivations that are the thing. It’s why people have such a hard time understanding and believing the “deep state” and why it hates even being called that because it identifies them. What the w…

“deep state” is insanely vague. Does it mean the part of the government that has lots of secrets it fights tooth and nail to make sure is never revealed and even potentially engages in illegal acts? Or does it mean bureaucracy? From what I’ve heard most people complaining about the “deep state” they always seem to express their complaint about the bounds of normal bureaucracy and less about secret/covert/illegal acti…

prior to appx 2016, it meant the intelligence apparatus and the constellation of orgs and ngo's around it; after that it meant the unelected permanent bureaucracy that persists across administrations

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about your source but if it is true, then I'm very happy to be mistaken.

I love the irony here. You had so little attention span you made an unsourced old-man-shouting-at-clouds comment that people have little in the way of attention spans... ...and then couldn't be bothered to investigate, out of intellectual curiosity, an easily verified statement by someone replying to you.

There are plentiful sources, which might not agree on the data that they have. Actually investigating that might take more effort than most people are willing to put in, few would care enough to sit down for the better part of the day and go through numerous studies.

https://www.statista.com/topics/3928/reading-habits-in-the-u... and https://www.statista.com/statistics/222754/book-format-used-...

> Book reading remains a popular pastime, with the most recent data showing that three quarters of all adults had read at least one book in any format in the past year.

https://testprepinsight.com/resources/us-book-reading-statis...

> Almost half of the respondents haven’t read any books in over a year: 48.5%

> According to the Pew Research Center, about 64% of American adults say they have read a book in the past 12 months. This is a similar share to the previous year, and is consistent with the findings from 2020.

> The National Endowment for the Arts released a report in 2015 that showed literary reading among Americans had declined significantly over the previous 20 years. In 1992, 56% of Americans had read at least one work of literature in the previous year. By 2014, that number had fallen to 46%.

> The NEA report also found that literary reading was more common among older adults than younger ones. In 2014, 53% of adults age 65 and older reported reading literature, compared with just 36% of adults ages 18-24.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/21/who-doesn...

> Roughly a quarter of American adults (23%) say they haven’t read a book in whole or in part in the past year, whether in print, electronic or audio form, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Jan. 25-Feb. 8, 2021.

https://www.amacad.org/humanities-indicators/public-life/boo...

> The percentage of Americans adults who read at least one book of fiction or nonfiction in the previous 12 months (outside of work or school requirements) fell to the lowest level on record in 2017 (Indicator V-04a). In 1992, 61% of Americans had read a book for pleasure during the previous year, but by 2017 less than 53% had done so.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/388541/americans-reading-fewer-...

> Americans say they read an average of 12.6 books during the past year, a smaller number than Gallup has measured in any prior survey dating back to 1990. U.S. adults are reading roughly two or three fewer books per year than they did between 2001 and 2016.

So I guess there's a decline of sorts, but the exact figures vary a bit, probably depending on the particular polls and their audiences, the risks of self reporting biases and so on. That said, people are still definitely readings books, for the most part. Of course, some also include stuff like audiobooks, which is also an interesting format. I don't think that verifying everything is very easy, though, since a meta study that explores the methodology and so on might be more useful for that, rather than just taking everything at face value.

I would still unironically enjoy a SummarizeGoogleGPT or something, to not have to dig through various articles, each with a different layout and formatting.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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There isn't much need to suppress novels anymore. People no longer have sufficient attention span to even finish a 5 minute video and need to be fed bite-sized shorts. No need to kill the producer, consumers have been killed.

Is that true? Last I heard (I just looked it up) over half of people in the US read at least one book per year.

Is that the truth, what they say they do, or what they would like to do?

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

#140

There isn't much need to suppress novels anymore. People no longer have sufficient attention span to even finish a 5 minute video and need to be fed bite-sized shorts. No need to kill the producer, consumers have been killed.

Is that true? Last I heard (I just looked it up) over half of people in the US read at least one book per year.

If what you heard is true, close to half of people read no books.
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