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I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Create a fake, empty Facebook account, use it everywhere to log in. Problem solved.

Ok, that makes 2 of you who have fake Facebook login accounts to login. Anyone else?

My account is semi-fake, with a real pic and a few friends, but my birthday in 1920. It's great, except for those annoying "Never too old for love" and "Mature Singles" ads.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Thanks for the links. Seeing 1 from '07, one from '08, and one from last year, seems that it's been building up for 5 years. Yeah, I see your point.

Don't think they weren't busy in 2009 and 2010, either: http://consumerist.com/2009/02/facebooks-new-terms-of-servic... http://techcrunch.com/2009/12/09/facebook-privacy/ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230477280457555... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/

Thanks, point more than proven.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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I dont know how much of value I can bring here, but I can tell you what would make me love Facebook (love opposite to hate). If they would charge me $5/month for an account BUT give me fair, solid and reasonable TOS that I own my data and they DONT make money off of my eyeballs and clicks under some sort of a penalty. And throw an Independent Board of Facebook Policy-makers so its not that one hacker own majority of…

Super interesting. I wonder what would happen if Facebook would implement a subscription service that shows no ads and lets you own and control your data. It's not a bad idea- I'll see if a friend at Fb will ask Zuckerberg if they've ever considered this.

no need to -- I will answer you. Its not feasible in FB current situation. IF they make $100 per year per user already on showing ads/tracking/selling/analyzing/whatever they do to make a buck, then going down to $5/month/user and shifting from paying advertiser to paying user would make it a ghost town. Bottom line: I think most people enjoy what they get out of FB even if they data is being used/sold and they are, up to some point, aware of it.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

I dont know how much of value I can bring here, but I can tell you what would make me love Facebook (love opposite to hate). If they would charge me $5/month for an account BUT give me fair, solid and reasonable TOS that I own my data and they DONT make money off of my eyeballs and clicks under some sort of a penalty. And throw an Independent Board of Facebook Policy-makers so its not that one hacker own majority of…

So you dislike Facebook making money of your eyeballs and clicks so much you'd pay money every month to prevent that. I don't understand this attitude at all. I couldn't care less how much money anyone else makes from my eyeballs and clicks. What am I missing here ?

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

In addition to everything else, they've been saying that their new advertising model involves sponsored stories showing up on your newsfeed, and arranging and highlighting the timeline so that paid stories show up (and in fact, they already have paid stories labelled as such showing up on their pages occasionally).

I don't trust a company that turns my friends into shills. It's slimy.

I use facebook because it's convenient for keeping in touch with friends and keeping up to date with events. I don't like it or trust it much.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

In addition to everything else, they've been saying that their new advertising model involves sponsored stories showing up on your newsfeed, and arranging and highlighting the timeline so that paid stories show up (and in fact, they already have paid stories labelled as such showing up on their pages occasionally). I don't trust a company that turns my friends into shills. It's slimy. I use facebook because it's conv…

Any company offering a free service has to make money somehow, and since they know 5% of internet browsing is on the Fb newsfeed, it's actually not surprising.

I wonder, would you pay a $5 subscription so that Facebook doesn't show you ads and lets you own your data? Someone else suggested it.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

#67

Before blaming the 50% drop-off on Facebook, you should measure the drop-off of the ID/password approach and compare the two. I would expect the drop-off for any login method to be relatively high on mobile apps. Anyone has data they can share?

You're right, although I expected a much lower drop-off. We'll post follow-on data soon(ish).

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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True. The flip side is the ability to craft and re-craft your identity everywhere you go, which lets people misbehave because no one can figure out who they are. Abuse, profanity, hate are all easier if you wear a mask.

"Abuse, profanity, hate are all easier if you wear a mask." Maybe, and it may in fact be that relative anonymity is a net loss for a community. But I find that it's rare for a conversation to rise in quality above "Okay" if I know everyone I'm talking with. This is part of why discussions over web forums and the like are so interesting. If everyone can say what they really think, then everyone can talk about more tha…

I like your edit, well put.

What we found in opening up Tiny Review to other login options was actually pretty civil. We haven't seen much offensive content at all, nor spam. It might be that we're still small yet, but I think I agree with you. Letting people refine their identity for a particular site usually frees up their expression and you get good results. While you're small, it's not a problem. Once you scale enough to have a large userbase, you normally have the time and resources for content moderation.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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I'm currently building a social media news aggregation site, and was considering the merits of using a Facebook/Twitter only login/comment services. Do you believe most potential users would be opposed to this? If using these services we would be very clear about privacy issues and options,giving our users the option of restricting their activities to our network, and not sharing the information with facebook/twitter if the user would choose not to. Also in our service agreement and in practice we would restrict our use of our users information to strictly what they share with us, not datamining them, which in my opinion violates peoples privacy. There is a lot of upside in my opinion with using the Facebook/twitter login. They are the 2 dominant social media platforms, in which our potential users are bound to have their strongest ties. If they choose to share their activities on our site with their social media network of choice, it would be their way of advertising a service they are using (and presumably enjoying if they are participating on the site), which would help our service attract users. Would appreciate any feedback and advice, especially pointing out where im wrong :)
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