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I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by unimpressive »

melissamiranda wrote: post #47
jilebedev wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another perspective: people wear hats. We cater the hat to the audience we're addressing. This isn't just a web phenomenon - we've crafted our identities in the real world for thousands of years in order to manipulate the target audience in some fashion or another. For that reason, it's not a smart idea to link a single human to a unified web presence. Facebook login makes sense in its convenience, but in reality, it…

True. The flip side is the ability to craft and re-craft your identity everywhere you go, which lets people misbehave because no one can figure out who they are. Abuse, profanity, hate are all easier if you wear a mask.

"Abuse, profanity, hate are all easier if you wear a mask."

Maybe, and it may in fact be that relative anonymity is a net loss for a community. But I find that it's rare for a conversation to rise in quality above "Okay" if I know everyone I'm talking with. This is part of why discussions over web forums and the like are so interesting. If everyone can say what they really think, then everyone can talk about more than just surface issues.

Sure theres the people who try to use their mask to hurt others, but theres plenty of people who don't. And some degree of anonymity is required to get those outlier conversations that make you wish they'd go on longer, regardless of how long you've been talking.

EDIT: Of course, the first rule of Internet pseudo anonymity is that people you haven't talked to for a non-trivial length of time don't get webcam privileges, ever.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by ben0x539 »

daimyoyo wrote: post #34

I have found a compromise that works well for me when I'm asked to login with facebook. I have created an account that exists solely for situations like this. That way I can use whatever site or app I want and its not connected to me.

It might not be connected to your other personas, but there's still someone at facebook who can piece together what apps and sites you use that require facebook logins, and potentially abuse that data.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by RandallBrown »

billybob wrote: post #11
rhizome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if people think that offering only FB login means you're trying to exploit on FB specifically, but if you have self-login as well it means you're not trying to force them into it.

This is how I perceive Spotify. I can't sign up for it because I deleted my FB account. FB as the only option makes me think they must want to datamine me as hard as possible.

So make a new account and don't put any information on it. It would be exactly as painful as setting up a spotify account.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by smsm42 »

melissamiranda wrote: post #20
AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Just curious, why don't you trust Facebook? Did you trust them at one point in time? What made you lose your trust? I'm a designer so it's interesting to me what's behind all the Facebook hate.

There are two general reasons not to trust Facebook:

1. The reason not to trust {big company X} is that there's no reason to trust them. Their interests are not your interests. They are big enough that loss of one client is nothing for them. They have more lawyers than you have dollars, so short of overt crimes they would be able to do anything with your data and you could do nothing to them. They are popular enough that if they don't screw up something major they can live with significant number individuals pissed off about them and not care the least.

2. Facebook management's position, which they expressed a number of times publicly, is that anonymity is harmful and privacy has no value and should not exist on the internet. Here's but one example: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_zuckerberg_sa... If I had to choose one company that should not be trusted with my private info that would be the one whose founder publicly states that privacy should not exist. In short, consider any info going into Facebook as if it were to be published in New York Times. If you're not OK with that - keep it to yourself.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by mappu »

melissamiranda wrote: post #37
zak_mc_kracken wrote: post #30

Create a fake, empty Facebook account, use it everywhere to log in. Problem solved.

Ok, that makes 2 of you who have fake Facebook login accounts to login. Anyone else?

Two people out of (currently) 47 comments. The number of people using this technique is probably statistically significant (i know lots of my friends have multiple facebook accounts under pseudonyms for similar reasons).

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by chimeracoder »

AlexandrB wrote: post #18

I don't care about apps using my Facebook data (what little there is). I don't trust Facebook not to use data from/about apps that I use. That's why I would never use my Facebook ID to log in to anything. Actually I can come up with a better summary: I don't trust Facebook

Its amusing how quickly people seem to have forgotten about Beacon - seems like we've set ourselves up for another privacy disaster of similar scale - or perhaps worse.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by smsm42 »

melissamiranda wrote: post #40
jseims wrote: post #33

What gets me is it's 2012 and we still have to keep solving account management over and over. It's a big bucket of word dealing with multiple signup methods, resetting passwords, profile pictures, etc. I wish there were an open source project that unified best practices (in various tech stacks).

Open ID tried and failed. What I see now is more developers creating their own registration auth. Even if they lose on signup conversions vs. 1-click Fb or Twitter, they avoid duplicate account mixups.

Why OpenID failed? I see more and more services - including ones I use literally every day - using it.
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