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I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by DanBC »

melissamiranda wrote: post #29
joering2 wrote: post #24

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I dont know how much of value I can bring here, but I can tell you what would make me love Facebook (love opposite to hate). If they would charge me $5/month for an account BUT give me fair, solid and reasonable TOS that I own my data and they DONT make money off of my eyeballs and clicks under some sort of a penalty. And throw an Independent Board of Facebook Policy-makers so its not that one hacker own majority of…

Super interesting. I wonder what would happen if Facebook would implement a subscription service that shows no ads and lets you own and control your data. It's not a bad idea- I'll see if a friend at Fb will ask Zuckerberg if they've ever considered this.

I see some things that I'd consider subscribing to, but they only have "real world" subscriptions for hardcopy.

I guess I could send that to a school or hospital or some such. But it'd be neat if they realised that some people are happy to pay for good reporting.

Maybe there's a need for some simple online-only sub, with feedback buttons of "good quality" or "poor quality" on each article.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by ghayes »

melissamiranda wrote: post #16
jsavimbi wrote: post #13

> nurture a community of real, authentic users. This is utter BS and the author knows it. The last people you want to fill the role of early adopter are the people of Facebook. Nurture, foster, incubate. That's lazy business people speak for not actually doing any work of note and spending more time networking and that all-consuming fundraising so they can actually hire someone to do the work for them and pay them sq…

Off base. Facebook login was implement to prevent a Chatroulette problem (nudity and profanity). The Internet Fuckwad theory: normal person + anonymity + audience = total fuckwad ( http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Greater-Internet-Fuckwad-Th... ) explains why anonymity allows bad behavior. The decision had nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with encouraging real identity on the app.

Agreed that anonymity brings trolls. What about low-friction sharing that Facebook Auth brings? How did this play into your decision? You said earlier that you used to ask for that authorization AFTER asking for login auth?

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jseims »

What gets me is it's 2012 and we still have to keep solving account management over and over. It's a big bucket of word dealing with multiple signup methods, resetting passwords, profile pictures, etc.

I wish there were an open source project that unified best practices (in various tech stacks).

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

daimyoyo wrote: post #34

I have found a compromise that works well for me when I'm asked to login with facebook. I have created an account that exists solely for situations like this. That way I can use whatever site or app I want and its not connected to me.

Interesting. Anyone else out there have a second Fb account just to login?

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jsavimbi »

melissamiranda wrote: post #35
daimyoyo wrote: post #34

I have found a compromise that works well for me when I'm asked to login with facebook. I have created an account that exists solely for situations like this. That way I can use whatever site or app I want and its not connected to me.

Interesting. Anyone else out there have a second Fb account just to login?

Of course not; it's all about real identity, innit?

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by jilebedev »

melissamiranda wrote: post #27
dekz wrote: post #22

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I don't trust Facebook. I don't even have Facebook. It may not be due to some current form of business practice (selling data) but the potentiality of all my attributed aggregated data being released/sold/made available. Doing facebook only auth only shows the company doesn't share the same privacy values as me and therefor I cannot trust them either.

Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea people felt this strongly about their data. In user testing, I picked up that people are afraid of apps publishing to their walls, or worse, friends' walls behind their back. I got that people don't trust developers with their Facebook credentials because of the abuses in the past, but what you're saying is that you don't trust Facebook itself. Thank you - now I know this going…

Another perspective: people wear hats. We cater the hat to the audience we're addressing. This isn't just a web phenomenon - we've crafted our identities in the real world for thousands of years in order to manipulate the target audience in some fashion or another. For that reason, it's not a smart idea to link a single human to a unified web presence.

Facebook login makes sense in its convenience, but in reality, it grates against something that's pretty important to a lot of people: how they present themselves in front of an audience.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by pavel_lishin »

FaceKicker wrote: post #14
billybob wrote: post #11

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This is how I perceive Spotify. I can't sign up for it because I deleted my FB account. FB as the only option makes me think they must want to datamine me as hard as possible.

I don't really understand what Spotify is thinking with the FB-only login. I get that it's free advertising and data for them, but it seems like there's probably a very large percentage of potential users who are uncomfortable with spamming each one of their FB friends every time they listen to a song (not to mention "guilty pleasure songs" that people would be embarrassed to listen to knowing that everyone will see…

I was under the impression that you could turn this off; and that the people who actually care whether they're spamming their friends or not would go to the trouble of doing so.

Re: I would rather drink piss like Bear Grylls than log in with Facebook

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Post by melissamiranda »

jseims wrote: post #33

What gets me is it's 2012 and we still have to keep solving account management over and over. It's a big bucket of word dealing with multiple signup methods, resetting passwords, profile pictures, etc. I wish there were an open source project that unified best practices (in various tech stacks).

Open ID tried and failed. What I see now is more developers creating their own registration auth. Even if they lose on signup conversions vs. 1-click Fb or Twitter, they avoid duplicate account mixups.
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