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Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#121
Nintendo currently has a large devout fanbase that will defend the company till death, purely because of childhood nostalgia.

Until said fanbase is gone (which is almost never), Nintendo can effectively do whatever they want to modders & homebrewers, with the fanbase continuing to buy Nintendo's products without question.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#122

This is likely due to contract issues - there are many contracts, especially for digital distribution, which have an SLA built in for patching security issues for DRM content. These are basically provisions which allow the contract holder to claw back fees etc. if DRM is broken on a platform for a certain amount of time. Apple has these with music publishers, especially when the iTunes Store first launched.

I can guarantee you that if Nintendo says they aren't patching the console after it's sunsetted, publishers will still happily publish games on the console without that clause in the contract. This is still 100% on Nintendo.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#123
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If you don't mind spending around $10 USD, hacking an updated 3DS is simple if you get an ntrboot-compatible flashcart [1] and a small magnet. At the moment, Ace3DS X flashcarts are available on AliExpress and work well. If the supply of compatible flashcarts ever dries up, it will definitely get harder, though hopefully there will be more software exploits discovered by then. [1]: https://3ds.hacks.guide/ntrboot

> If the supply of compatible flashcarts ever dries up, it will definitely get harder, though hopefully there will be more software exploits discovered by then. another area of research is many flashcarts are actually obfuscation around FPGA and integrated flash perhaps if there was more interest a design could be produced in the spirit of open-hardware sans Nintendo property.

Hell, the original R4 managed it with 2006 hardware. It's conceivable you could do the same thing today with an RP2040.

EDIT: I found a recent GBATemp thread where some research into flashcart design is going on. Maybe something will come of that. Link: https://gbatemp.net/threads/gathering-ds-flashcard-knowledge...

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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This is a very Nintendo thing to do. I get it from a business perspective but it’s an easy way to really alienate a loyal audience.

And yet they've been antagonistic towards the modding/piracy community since the beginning and have one of the most loyal fan bases of any gaming brand. How do you explain that?

It was an honor knowing and having Mario and Cloud Strife and all the rest in my life.

Have a good day, I'm closing this tab.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#127
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And yet they've been antagonistic towards the modding/piracy community since the beginning and have one of the most loyal fan bases of any gaming brand. How do you explain that?

The fanbase skips generations of products so it's not as loyal as it seems. The wii-u never hit critical mass for example. Price over highend quality, quantity of games available wins the day for nintendo. Each time I've picked up a nintendo product I do it because it's the cheapest and has the most games. Original vs sega master system, genasis vs super nintendo, wii over microsoft's surface

The Wii-U just wasn't good though. They have a good history of putting out pretty good hardware and the Wii-U just didn't hit that value.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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That's part of a factory recovery mechanism, basically. The system looks for Start+Select+X+Power and the magnet to be detected and it'll immediately fail over to booting from the DS slot.

It pretty much has to be either a service mode or a developer back door. I'd love to know for sure. Maybe a leak some day will satisfy my curiosity.

In the presentation made when it was discovered[0] they said: “The NTR cartridge was likely meant to be used for either the factory setup or as a means of recovering bricked NANDs. However, we'll never know for sure.”

[0]: https://sciresm.github.io/33-and-a-half-c3/

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#129

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Keeping stuff for sale can be expensive because of licensed assets. Licensed music has taken games down before and it will again. I don't know the publisher contracts Nintendo signs, but if there's a time duration in the contract, that may open up a very expensive "deal with keeping track of which developers relicensed their games" problem. That said, I 100% believe this is just a way for them to make sure you can't…

> Very expensive "deal with keeping track of which developers relicensed their games" problem. There is tons of licensing issues in the gaming industry under the surface that causes problems all over the place. An extreme example would be Sega's mistakes with Sonic. Sonic 3 , despite not having him in the credits, contains some works by Michael Jackson. That has complicated things tremendously in re-releases, so much…

On the last point, I looked it up and it's an interesting story but it looks like Archie comics is the main culprit behind the lax protection although you could say SEGA is also at fault. Nevertheless, I kind of feel like Mr. Penders won one for the little guy.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

#130

I replied to a comment on some other Nintendo-related post here the other day that began with something like ‘…Nintendo isn’t petty enough to…’ - to which I jokingly replied that I’d stopped reading after that. Honestly - Nintendo is the pettiest and shittiest to its incredibly passionate fan base. Where SEGA hires people who have created great fan content, for instance; Nintendo sends out C&D’s. Nintendo shut off th…

>I replied to a comment on some other Nintendo-related post here the other day that began with something like ‘…Nintendo isn’t petty enough to…’ - to which I jokingly replied that I’d stopped reading after that.

Lol hello again. I stand corrected.

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