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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by code_runner »

avocabros wrote: post #155
908B64B197 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they might as well get them for 1/4 of the price from Central and South America. Where can I find these mythical Central and South Americans that are "just as qualified as US engineers" and 1/4 of the price? I keep hearing about them, but the only devs I've met who would match that description were very much charging US rates.

I'd guess that most software work doesn't require super-specialized roles. You can get good quality engineers for generalist tasks (web app dev, API dev, etc.) all over the world. I agree, the end game for remote work for non-specialists isn't an obvious positive for those in HCOL countries

People think this, but after a stint in boutique consulting it just is not true.

We worked for companies that had a lot of extra cash but didn’t want to hire for these roles out of stubbornness. We were basically there to clean up messes and attempt to build/handoff AI backed solutions to off shore teams… the generalists just were not good and were drowning in work.

We even assumed that in a few cases we were typically not talking with the person on teams and instead got a random employee of their own consulting place. Face to face meetings were RARE.

I guess my point is that people working these “quarter of the price” roles are not great and the companies hiring them aren’t trying to build anything of quality.

Healthcare companies trying to get their piece of the govt money without providing any real value

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Post by opmelogy »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #145
ted_bunny wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes it gaslighting as opposed to garden variety bullshit?

By adding "morally" it enforces questioning one's own principles in support of the thing. Without "morally" it's dismissable nonsense (ie. bullshit). With "morally" it requires pulling at strands that make up our world-view. It's not necessarily a bad thing to question one's world-view on occasion, but causing that level of fundamental questioning, for a comment that would otherwise be easily dismissable, is gaslight…

Good answer.

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Post by nkozyra »

jredwards wrote: post #159
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

I don't think you have to get that creative. The man sells cars. He's invested in people commuting.

Cars are used for more than commuting.

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Post by some_furry »

viraptor wrote: post #70
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #6

As I said last time "Please remember to turn the servers off when you go on strike".

There's a line between a strike and sabotage. That idea is on the wrong side and either a reason to fire you or sue you. I hope nobody seriously considers it.

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Marco Savio

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

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Post by missedthecue »

WesternWind wrote: post #156
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Hasn't work from home been shown to improve worker efficiency and happiness too?

I think it's been shown to increase isolation. The number of young people going days without seeing another human being should startle and upset.

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Post by hamburglar »

somethoughts wrote: post #175
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies ... but he left out the for his companies part. He owns a car company and a space ship company - both of which have assembly lines with tons of workers. A majority of his employees will need to be working in a factory or with physical equipment/prototypes. Therefore they must be at the office or at the plant. In that en…

> allowing a small percentage of people to have the flexibility to work from home all the time, actually can seem amoral as that will create two classes of workers

This is kind of absurd, though, since they are already two classes of workers. Information workers and factory workers are different.

But also, the deciding factor on whether you can work from home should be: can you do your job from home? Look at nurses. They have to be in a hospital, walking into rooms and tending to patients, right? Not phone nurses and poison control center nurses. They work from home nowadays.

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Post by zerbinxx »

paxys wrote: post #34
gaze wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious where you’re going with this

I imagine it's the usual "someone else's life sucks so yours must suck as well" argument that is used against workers.

I think you’re reading that upside down. Commenter is saying “I think I should be able to work from home, and those who MUST go in (warehouse people) should get extra compensation to pay for the commute”

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Post by 8note »

somethoughts wrote: post #175
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies ... but he left out the for his companies part. He owns a car company and a space ship company - both of which have assembly lines with tons of workers. A majority of his employees will need to be working in a factory or with physical equipment/prototypes. Therefore they must be at the office or at the plant. In that en…

It seems weird that the office workers are working from the office and not in the production line too, no? Do your meetings while assembling a car, I'd you're worried about the people assembling cars feeling bad

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Post by jjnoakes »

ipaddr wrote: post #134
jjnoakes wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the author of the comment, but it is pretty clear to me that they are saying you can work from home and coast, or you can work from home and be productive, and they suggest that everyone who works from home should do the latter. I agree with them. To me it isn't about the color of one's collar or the location they work from. It is about being productive. Productive workers should have flexibility, where possible.…

It's easier to coast at the office and look productive. Much easier. Attending every social fuction, social visits, adhoc meetings can kill half a week easy.

No disagreement here. I think office workers should be productive too.
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