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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by Swizec »

superfrank wrote: post #78
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

> It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days. I'm a big proponent of "I don't care where you work as long as your work gets done" and have been since before covid, but I haven't come across anything that actually proves that, so... source? If there's a good study out there that shows that that is true, I'd love to see…

> more work completed, but less coordination between teams may not be a net positive

Here's one anecdata: I have never in any job coordinated as much with my team mates and other teams as I have in the past ~3 years of working remotely.

The trick wasn't that we're remote or on-site, what increased our level of coordination was how we work. As a team instead of as a random grouping of individuals.

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Post by Ancalagon »

lettergram wrote: post #38
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I have a farm and work remotely. I'm awake 18 hrs a day, spend 6 with my family & 12 working -- 8 for tech job, 4 for farm. I do this 6 days a week. I'm insanely productive by most metrics (many many launched products, side gigs, work 1.5 jobs, etc). I schedule my day down to 15 min increments (though obviously, adjustments are always made). Remote work affords me that opportunity and I work as hard as anyone. It's f…

Your work ethic is very impressive, but what do you mean by 'legit work'? Are you implying remote work is not legitimate? I'm confused because you even state that you spend your days working remotely - are you are obviously very productive at it. Is that not legit work, and only the blue collar is legit?

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by jpeg_hero »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I read it as a direct opposition to the moralizing here oh HN about how it’s morally wrong to not let people work from home. (the “noise” argument, the “I’m individually more productive” arguments and all that)

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Post by mediasavvy »

kryogen1c wrote: post #108
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

> but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. Are you? Have you tried seriously considering his position instead of watching 1 second sound bites OBVIOUSLY taken out of context? > I was on a bicycle ride listening to this interview when he said it and I literally pulled my bike over and sat for a half hour or so thinking about what I think about the idea Oh? This musk interview was…

> acting like musk is a raving lunatic for sympathizing with minimum wage workers who bus to work is nothing short of supreme stupidity

It’s called concern trolling

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Post by w_for_wumbo »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

If I had to try and think of an angle, I guess it could be around the protection of intellectual data. In the office, it's a controlled environment. Whereas working from home is essentially taking corporate assets into an uncontrolled environment.

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Post by faddypaddy34 »

cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

Yeah fighting back, by walking out during lunch only if a thousand people sign the petition. So brave.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by kbos87 »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I think a lot of the speculation about his motivations and just how long of a game he is playing give him too much credit. The past 12 months have been a complete backslide in his credibility. I chalk it up to the fact that he has literally become an attention seeking soundbite machine.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Hard to judge from the truncated context provided there. Was he just saying anybody who wants to work from home is morally wrong? It actually sounded like the conversation was about people who thought they had a right to work from home. If they expected others not to, I can see that as being somewhat hypocritical.

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Post by ted_bunny »

opmelogy wrote: post #98
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

> He’s famous...for gaslighting This is an excellent way to put it and a great observation. I was never able to put my finger on it even though the BS meter was off the charts. Here it is. Thanks.

What makes it gaslighting as opposed to garden variety bullshit?

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Post by plagiarist »

rossjudson wrote: post #99
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Farhad Manjoo wrote: "Office Workers Don’t Hate the Office. They Hate the Commute." That's true for a decent number of people...but definitely not all. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/opinion/elon-musk-remote-... And another thing -- the "morally wrong" is remarkably selective. Musk is clearly saying that it's "morally wrong" for white collar workers to be remote while insisting that blue collar workers be fully p…

If Elon finds it morally distasteful that blue collar workers' commutes are unpaid, he could simply pay them for their time, or have them work fewer hours for the same pay and benefits.
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