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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

Also he’s welcome to have his opinions.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by taftster »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

My ability to work in an office efficiently or at home efficiently has zero bearing on whether my job can be replicated by an AI.

  - If a job can be outsourced, it will be outsourced.
  - If a job can be eliminated, it will be eliminated.
  - If a job can be replaced by AI, it will be replaced by AI.
Work location does not factor on these decisions. It's just simply an evaluation of production efficiency.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by sjburt »

seattle_spring wrote: post #61
thaumasiotes wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason this wouldn’t apply to you That remains to be established. People often have no idea what renter protections are like. If he's in California, he might find that he can't be evicted without the landlord going through a multi-year process.

Take years, or even a year, is very much hyperbole, even for SF. Particularly when dealing with non-paying tenants. This may have been different during eviction moratoriums at the height of the pandemic.

The eviction moratorium is still active in SF, Oakland and Berkeley.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by lettergram »

moneywoes wrote: post #87
lettergram wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a farm and work remotely. I'm awake 18 hrs a day, spend 6 with my family & 12 working -- 8 for tech job, 4 for farm. I do this 6 days a week. I'm insanely productive by most metrics (many many launched products, side gigs, work 1.5 jobs, etc). I schedule my day down to 15 min increments (though obviously, adjustments are always made). Remote work affords me that opportunity and I work as hard as anyone. It's f…

How do you do this 15 minute scheduling, google calendar?

Most calendars you can break down to w.e. interval you want, I share a calendar with my family and we put our stuff up. Then for each bucket, I break it down individually as the day comes up. Takes like 10 min at night to put it all in, so maybe an hour a week of planning. That may seem like a lot, but worth the effort IMO.

As an example, every day my basic schedule: 6-8am with family, 8am-12pm [farm] work, 12pm-4pm [collaborative] work, 4-7pm chores & family, 7-9pm [emails / focus work] work, 9-10pm family, 10-12pm [focus] work.

Then the day before, I will break out individual events. There are times, for instance, I have to take a kid to the doctor so I'll block that out, put in all my meetings and adjust the 4-7pm family time to say 5-7pm (take an hr from work & family time).

It's all about being disciplined and trying to ensure you are organized and maximize time for me. Gotta keep focused

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by kcplate »

superfrank wrote: post #78
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

> It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days. I'm a big proponent of "I don't care where you work as long as your work gets done" and have been since before covid, but I haven't come across anything that actually proves that, so... source? If there's a good study out there that shows that that is true, I'd love to see…

It’s my opinion that people feel like they are more productive at WFH, but it’s a bit of a hard metric to actually measure. I get the sense that the freedom and flexibility might create a feeling of personal productivity to accomplish many things (not just career related) they couldn’t before WFH, but as for job productivity…I bet it’s probably a wash overall.

I say this as a remote worker who wouldn’t want to RTO—because I feel like I am more productive at work from home. However, I wouldn’t bet the farm on that if there was a reliable way to measure it.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by lettergram »

mwint wrote: post #76
lettergram wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a farm and work remotely. I'm awake 18 hrs a day, spend 6 with my family & 12 working -- 8 for tech job, 4 for farm. I do this 6 days a week. I'm insanely productive by most metrics (many many launched products, side gigs, work 1.5 jobs, etc). I schedule my day down to 15 min increments (though obviously, adjustments are always made). Remote work affords me that opportunity and I work as hard as anyone. It's f…

What does your planning process look like? I’d like to get more structure in my workday, maybe not that much… but how do you deal with the Stuff that inevitably Comes Up?

If you can, you push it to the next day and schedule accordingly. If you can, obviously plans changed lol. 99% of what we have going on can be pushed to tomorrow

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by operatingthetan »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

>Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto.

We should assume any public statements on morality from powerful people out of the blue are motivated by a secondary factor.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by opmelogy »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

> He’s famous...for gaslighting

This is an excellent way to put it and a great observation. I was never able to put my finger on it even though the BS meter was off the charts. Here it is. Thanks.

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Post by rossjudson »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Farhad Manjoo wrote: "Office Workers Don’t Hate the Office. They Hate the Commute."

That's true for a decent number of people...but definitely not all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/opinion/elon-musk-remote-...

And another thing -- the "morally wrong" is remarkably selective. Musk is clearly saying that it's "morally wrong" for white collar workers to be remote while insisting that blue collar workers be fully present.

In a CNBC interview this week, speaking about service and manufacturing workers, Musk said “it's messed up to assume that, yes, they have to go to work, but you don't. It's not just a productivity thing, I think it's morally wrong,” suggesting “the laptop class is living in la-la land.”

What if the headline was "CEO phones in 20 hours/week from Hawaii while threatening to fire workers who clock < 60 hours/week"?

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Post by InitialLastName »

JustLurking2022 wrote: post #55
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

Less commuting = fewer miles on your car = less frequent need to buy a new one.

It also edges your car mileage from the circumstance where electric cars excel (daily medium distance trips ending at home every day to charge) towards less advantageous use (long multi-day trips).
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