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Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by jeroenhd »

newaccount74 wrote: post #19

My son still has a a 3DS. Does this update install automatically? Should I do something to prevent it?

If you've installed custom firmware, you can update without any problems.

If you haven't and still plan on doing so, keeping the console offline is your best bet. Deleting the WiFi network is the easiest way to make sure it doesn't update. I don't think 3DS online services are still popular but your son can probably tell you that.

Hacking the thing took me two or three hours in total, with no hardware modification using the guide on https://3ds.hacks.guide/. Most of that was me being careful while reading the instructions and making backups, I'm pretty sure the entire process can be done in twenty minutes. Now that the eStore has been abandoned, it's the only way to play some eStore only titles so it's worth doing if you want to preserve that history.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by haunter »

jeroenhd wrote: post #49

I wonder why anyone would update. It's not like new games are going to refuse to run unless you update and the online services that validate your firmware have all shut down. Why even bother?

>and the online services that validate your firmware have all shut down

Nope. Online multiplayer games still work. They only removed the feature to buy new games from the eShop.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by spondylosaurus »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #54
jeroenhd wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping stuff for sale can be expensive because of licensed assets. Licensed music has taken games down before and it will again. I don't know the publisher contracts Nintendo signs, but if there's a time duration in the contract, that may open up a very expensive "deal with keeping track of which developers relicensed their games" problem. That said, I 100% believe this is just a way for them to make sure you can't…

> Very expensive "deal with keeping track of which developers relicensed their games" problem. There is tons of licensing issues in the gaming industry under the surface that causes problems all over the place. An extreme example would be Sega's mistakes with Sonic. Sonic 3 , despite not having him in the credits, contains some works by Michael Jackson. That has complicated things tremendously in re-releases, so much…

Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3 haven't been available on digital marketplaces for a while because both games include real historical footage that Konami no longer has the rights to use. (Off the top of my head, MGS3 used clips of some nuclear weapons tests, for example.)

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by notho »

routerl wrote: post #23
spondylosaurus wrote: post #5

The good news is that it looks like this new patch won't affect anyone who always has Luma3DS custom firmware installed, and there are other methods for hacking your 3DS, but they're a lot more convoluted. The bannerbomb3 method was super easy and essentially foolproof. Really shitty of Nintendo to sunset the console and then close the door behind them on the way out. Homebrew communities have been doing their damned…

> Really shitty of Nintendo to sunset the console and then close the door behind them on the way out. The age of abandonware[0] is over. The promise of future earnings from streaming/downloads means all major content producers will lock down even out-of-print works, like consoles from previous generations. This is just another casualty of the fight we were having 20 years ago, re: copyright. We lost. It's over. [0] h…

It remains to be seen whether the soon to generationally churn will succeed in foisting their ways on the yet to exist.

Having a hard time believing a deluge of generative AI content will keep Mickey Mouse worth anything; even if the AI content cannot be copyrighted why would users pay for Mickey Mouse?

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by [deleted] »

jeroenhd wrote: post #51
asveikau wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it probably costs them very little to keep every title listed for sale. They could be making revenue from it. Probably not as much as when the stuff was new, but something. I guess by cutting off supply of the old stuff, though, they can do re-releases and re-masters charging somewhat similar to the price of a new game, or get people to pay a monthly subscription fee for access.

Keeping stuff for sale can be expensive because of licensed assets. Licensed music has taken games down before and it will again. I don't know the publisher contracts Nintendo signs, but if there's a time duration in the contract, that may open up a very expensive "deal with keeping track of which developers relicensed their games" problem. That said, I 100% believe this is just a way for them to make sure you can't…

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Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

mmebane wrote: post #58
spondylosaurus wrote: post #5

The good news is that it looks like this new patch won't affect anyone who always has Luma3DS custom firmware installed, and there are other methods for hacking your 3DS, but they're a lot more convoluted. The bannerbomb3 method was super easy and essentially foolproof. Really shitty of Nintendo to sunset the console and then close the door behind them on the way out. Homebrew communities have been doing their damned…

If you don't mind spending around $10 USD, hacking an updated 3DS is simple if you get an ntrboot-compatible flashcart [1] and a small magnet. At the moment, Ace3DS X flashcarts are available on AliExpress and work well. If the supply of compatible flashcarts ever dries up, it will definitely get harder, though hopefully there will be more software exploits discovered by then. [1]: https://3ds.hacks.guide/ntrboot

hah! now I remember what that tiny magnetic that's on one of my toolboxes is! Been looking at it for years every time I go to take something out wondering what it was for

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by kotaKat »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #60
mmebane wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind spending around $10 USD, hacking an updated 3DS is simple if you get an ntrboot-compatible flashcart [1] and a small magnet. At the moment, Ace3DS X flashcarts are available on AliExpress and work well. If the supply of compatible flashcarts ever dries up, it will definitely get harder, though hopefully there will be more software exploits discovered by then. [1]: https://3ds.hacks.guide/ntrboot

Wow, you weren't kidding about the magnet: > The usage of this exploit, regardless of the flashing method, requires access to a small magnet if the target device is of a folding style (any 3DS family system that is not the old 2DS with a sleep switch). This is because the exploit requires your device to enter sleep mode while still having access to the buttons.

That's part of a factory recovery mechanism, basically. The system looks for Start+Select+X+Power and the magnet to be detected and it'll immediately fail over to booting from the DS slot.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by hbn »

asveikau wrote: post #35
routerl wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really shitty of Nintendo to sunset the console and then close the door behind them on the way out. The age of abandonware[0] is over. The promise of future earnings from streaming/downloads means all major content producers will lock down even out-of-print works, like consoles from previous generations. This is just another casualty of the fight we were having 20 years ago, re: copyright. We lost. It's over. [0] h…

I feel like it probably costs them very little to keep every title listed for sale. They could be making revenue from it. Probably not as much as when the stuff was new, but something. I guess by cutting off supply of the old stuff, though, they can do re-releases and re-masters charging somewhat similar to the price of a new game, or get people to pay a monthly subscription fee for access.

I'm not so sure it would even pay for itself to continue running at some point. It's not like you can just pay to keep the servers running. It's connected to the internet and surely running on a software stack with dependencies that will have CVEs, or language version lose LTS, libraries dropped for support, etc. and need upkeep. How much money in sales could the Wii Shop channel have been pulling in by the time they shut it down? I can't imagine much.

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by hbn »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #48
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #42

Given that the eShop is gone, there's really no reason to take your 3DS out of airplane mode to receive the firmware update in the first place, right?

Are online services gone with the eShop? Last I checked most games still seemed to work online (this was like a year ago though)

The eShop only shut down a couple months ago

Re: Nintendo updates 3DS to block Bannerbomb3 despite eShop discontinuation

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Post by vlunkr »

lostgame wrote: post #18

I replied to a comment on some other Nintendo-related post here the other day that began with something like ‘…Nintendo isn’t petty enough to…’ - to which I jokingly replied that I’d stopped reading after that. Honestly - Nintendo is the pettiest and shittiest to its incredibly passionate fan base. Where SEGA hires people who have created great fan content, for instance; Nintendo sends out C&D’s. Nintendo shut off th…

I’m aware of sonic mania, has sega hired fans for other games?
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