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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by trackflak »

idiotsecant wrote: post #126
trackflak wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brexit is an opportunity for fascists. I'd be curious to hear how exiting the European Union relates to the doctrines of Benito Mussolini.

Good news, Mussolini is dead so there aren't fascists anymore! They entire ethos was strictly and solely related to that specific time and place and is now a historical curiosity only! Phew, that was a close one!

Again, I asked how the wish of 1/2 of your countrymen to leave the EU relates to 'fascism'. Yes, I was slightly in jest because there are many reasons why one might be sceptical of the EU. One could even compare the EU to pan-European movements of the 1940s like Fascism, but that wouldn't be productive.

I need propositions, not further slander.

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Post by leadingthenet »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #135
brigandish wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re required to have it on you at all times outside of your own property then it is effectively no different to an arm tattoo.

You would not though, so it's not. You might as well say we should not have police because if they're required to beat you up if they saw you commit a crime then that would be bad. It would, but they're not, and it's the people who would intend that who you should oppose.

> You would not though

In several European countries, you absolutely do.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by shadowgovt »

nly wrote: post #148
shadowgovt wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, the UK take on surveillance was (for me as a visiting American) hugely de-stressing. In the US, I worry that some anonymous fellow citizen packing heat is going to snap and decide to execute a lifestyle change on me I didn't ask for and then melt away, unaccountable. The US unsolved murder rate is at a record high. Between the lack of firearm rights and the ubiquitous surveillance, I never had that fear…

In the UK it'll just be a knife instead of a gun.

That's much preferable. The odds of a person catching a stray knife from a conflict a block away, or being one of a dozen knifing victims in a mass knifing incident because someone had a bad day and decided to take it out on a shopping mall, are far lower than with the other weapon. I haven't heard, but I'm pretty sure elementary school students in Bristol aren't holding knifing drills where they learn how to hide under their desks and pretend they've already been knifed.

They say a fish isn't really aware of the water they're swimming in. Visiting Europe was like having a weight lifted off me, a tension released, that I'd been carrying my whole life and didn't know was there. Americans just live with the spectre of death due to random gun violence perched on their shoulder these days.

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Post by dukeyukey »

martinald wrote: post #32
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

I did quite a bit of work implementing GDPR compliance not long before it became enforceable and it was quite easy? Basically we had to make sure we knew where data was kept and how to delete/retrieve it. The biggest piece of work was making sure our logs didn't have personal info in them (sensible anyway imo) and adding proper log rotation.

Like every company will be different, but you really should know where your data is kept.

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Post by dukeyukey »

ThisIsNotNew wrote: post #116
charlieyu1 wrote: post #98

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I’m a Hongkonger. The only thing I know about UK before moving to there is the Queen, and Manchester United. I’m curious of what British politics like in general. Like, I’m absolutely against invasive surveillance, but I associate it more with communist China and its authoritarian bullshit.

Funny you say that because I know someone who picked Manchester after moving to UK from HK because he and his dad support Manchester United. He moved along with his brother, sister and retired parents, all under the HK visa. They are looking to buy two homes in Manc with their in savings. The newspapers are suggesting the new migrant stats to be published soon by Home Office for past 12 months will show extremely hig…

> I'm surprised people from Hong Kong didn't pick Australia instead of UK

My understanding is that the UK has the pretty generous BNO visa with immediate working rights and a path to citizenship, while Australia has an enhanced post-graduation pathway.

THe first is much easier and more flexible.

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Post by dukeyukey »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #145
ThisIsNotNew wrote: post #116

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Funny you say that because I know someone who picked Manchester after moving to UK from HK because he and his dad support Manchester United. He moved along with his brother, sister and retired parents, all under the HK visa. They are looking to buy two homes in Manc with their in savings. The newspapers are suggesting the new migrant stats to be published soon by Home Office for past 12 months will show extremely hig…

You could apply for a British National Overseas (BNO) passport if you were born before 1997, and since 2021 one could stay in UK with BNO. For many people it is the easiest way to leave Hong Kong. Most places are much stricter, my friends going to Australia are going back to studying to apply for a student visa. The policy is not without flaws though, the youngest BNO holders are now 26, immigration policy that focus…

My undersntanding is that a BNO holder can bring their dependent family members with them which might help a bit. But yeah, it must be sucky to be a young pro-democracy camp Hongkonger with parents either explicitly pro-Beijing or at least uninterested in leaving.

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Post by syngrog66 »

The surveillance dystopia is a topic and minor theme running through a game I've been building. [SB: see below]

I believe we need to strengthen laws against it. As well as start practicing a broader set of personal security & privacy techniques.

For example, a few of the easy ones I apply by default: I try hard to never use someone else's WiFi: and pay cash everywhere I can; and when say a fast food place asks for my name, unnecessarily, I give them a throwaway alias name (like Joe or Bob), so at worst thats the name they enter in their system. Hundreds more techniques exist obviously, some much stronger, and I recommend folks tailor theirs to taste.

Trade-offs always, and no silver bullet. But wise to take SOME action to fight back and protect yourself. Don't be paranoid, but don't be a fool.

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[SB] - https://synystrongames.itch.io/slartboz

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Post by DannyBee »

anigbrowl wrote: post #104
DannyBee wrote: post #58

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"By people who aren’t listening to you." This is the part everyone wants to say but isn't right. They are usually listening to people, just not people who agree with you :) One of the grand follies is to assume politicians are not doing what their constituents support. They almost always are, and often enjoy incredibly high local support/satisfaction ratings, even when the national ones are in the toilet. They spend…

Regional constituencies allow politicians to select the voters they want in many respects. The UK might look very different if they had a party list or some other form of PR.

Sure, i have no doubt the system is broken in lots of ways. I'm just saying that one way in which it's not particularly broken is whether they listen.

They do nothing but listen, have dedicated staffers and help that do nothing but analyze constituent opinion/views/etc.

You will rarely find them doing anything that is going to go against that. The exception is the small number of places where they are forced to deal with multiple constituencies for real.

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Post by brigandish »

pjc50 wrote: post #132
brigandish wrote: post #95

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> Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere Why would anyone who wanted mandatory "ID please" checkpoints advocate for them before introducing ID cards when: a) it makes no sense to advocate for them prior, there’s a natural sequence of dependencies. b) it would hinder the introduction of ID cards and hence, mandatory "ID please" checkpoints.

> a) it makes no sense to advocate for them prior, there’s a natural sequence of dependencies. We had that back when the government made it mandatory to have ID to be employed or have a bank account or rent a house. Not having an ID scheme didn't prevent it being made a requirement.

Then what is the need for an ID card?

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Post by brigandish »

leadingthenet wrote: post #152
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would not though, so it's not. You might as well say we should not have police because if they're required to beat you up if they saw you commit a crime then that would be bad. It would, but they're not, and it's the people who would intend that who you should oppose.

> You would not though In several European countries, you absolutely do.

It's sad that you have to post that comment. Should it surprise me that advocates of this do not know how ID cards are actually implemented, even in countries nearby?
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