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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

sfe22 wrote: post #111
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

The good news is UK is democracy, so no need to worry.

/s presumably.

We're so democratic we lock up people who look like they might be going to protest against us having rulers selected by accident of birth, rulers we are forced to spend £10s of £Millions 'celebrating' despite them being some of the richest people in the World. You can't get more democratic than that! Good job everyone here has more than enough, so it's not at all immoral. /s

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pjc50 »

brigandish wrote: post #95
Nextgrid wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is having an ID card a requirement to tattoo a number on your arm? Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere, merely providing a standardized way to pass through existing checkpoints (AML/KYC in the bank, etc).

> Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere Why would anyone who wanted mandatory "ID please" checkpoints advocate for them before introducing ID cards when: a) it makes no sense to advocate for them prior, there’s a natural sequence of dependencies. b) it would hinder the introduction of ID cards and hence, mandatory "ID please" checkpoints.

> a) it makes no sense to advocate for them prior, there’s a natural sequence of dependencies.

We had that back when the government made it mandatory to have ID to be employed or have a bank account or rent a house. Not having an ID scheme didn't prevent it being made a requirement.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

pnw wrote: post #77
martinald wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

I’m in the EU this week and I had no idea that the cookie banners were so obnoxious, every site has a huge page blocking banner, and plenty of US news sites seem to block EU traffic entirely. I had to use a VPN to access some sites.

All sites not run by shit-heads have a "reject all non-essential cookies and close button" clearly displayed.

They could just choose to honour "do not track", but I realise they want the money. Most large sites seem to have added the "reject all" button when it appeared that this was necessary for compliance. Those that did not don't care if they comply.

Obnoxious banners are a choice. If we didn't have them the choices of site -owner's wouldn't be less obnoxious, they would just be hidden.

It's like the warning your car makes 'put your seatbelt on'; sucks, but better than it not existing.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #114
wafflemaker wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you call a joke does work albeit slowly. Most of pages have a 'reject all' button now. It didn't get there in the first iteration, but the effect is nice now. As a bonus, you quickly see who works in bad faith, by how it's implemented.

It's a joke because it demonizes a specific technology which is only tangentially related to the goal. Imagine if we wanted to make drive-by shootings illegal and rather than passing a murder law your politicians criminalized having windows in cars. Cookies are the least offensive tracking technology. They're visible to users and the interactions with them can be seen. The EU should have mandated that all tracking ha…

The law is about tracking, in fact it's about data protection which is a step removed from tracking, tracking is just a principal route to PII acquisition.

The acquisition needs to be through informed consent and the data retention needs to be for the reasons consented to and not extend for periods beyond that (unless you need to keep data to comply with other laws, eg tax).

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

brigandish wrote: post #91
pjc50 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an arm tattoo, it's an ID card. The sad thing is that the UK has inflicted all the negative aspects of ID requirements on people without the consolation prize of a universal free ID. If you have a job, rent a house, or have a bank account in the UK, you must have a government ID at the moment. Because people wanted that requirement barrier built so it could be used against immigrants.

If you’re required to have it on you at all times outside of your own property then it is effectively no different to an arm tattoo.

You would not though, so it's not.

You might as well say we should not have police because if they're required to beat you up if they saw you commit a crime then that would be bad. It would, but they're not, and it's the people who would intend that who you should oppose.

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Post by blibble »

shadowgovt wrote: post #127
ThisIsNotNew wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many Brits against Brexit and who want to rejoin EU disagree and believe EU wants UK back so much it'll offer the same terms as before.

That arrangement of incentives seems about as likely as the US agreeing to take the UK on as the fifty-first state.

I mean if you're all about maximising economic gain over sovereignty: joining the much larger (and growing) US makes much more sense than the declining EU

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Post by jabradoodle »

DannyBee wrote: post #58
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

"By people who aren’t listening to you." This is the part everyone wants to say but isn't right. They are usually listening to people, just not people who agree with you :) One of the grand follies is to assume politicians are not doing what their constituents support. They almost always are, and often enjoy incredibly high local support/satisfaction ratings, even when the national ones are in the toilet. They spend…

Well, for example, our national politicans have delayed a plan to clean our waters (that are almost all polluted to a level illegal under EU law) until 2063. They are clearly not representing the people even on non partisan issues.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

sangnoir wrote: post #112
verisimi wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. As a UK national, I have to prefer being beaten with relish by genuine sadists (the UK government), rather than by sadists who pretend to have some heart left over.

Mission accomplished! Good luck with, well, everything & looking forward to seeing you in back in the Union within 2 generations! Without the prior exemptions & special treatment, naturally.

Curb your schadenfreude. The way things are going, there may not be a union in two generations.

Most EU countries have an ultra-right wing, nationalist and euroskeptic party in their parliament (I just don't want to say "fascist"). At least three (Italy, Hungary and Poland) have one in government. In France, Mme Le Pen has consistently got to the second round of presidential elections for the last ... three? Four? elections?

Things aren't going well.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by kwere »

nancyhn wrote: post #76
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

You may be surprised by how this plays out. UK has a golden opportunity, as Paul Graham recently wrote: I knew EU regulators would be freaking out about AI. I didn't anticipate that this freaking out would take the form of unbelievably stupid draft regulations, though in retrospect it's obvious. Regulators gonna regulate. At this point if I were a European founder planning to do an AI startup, I might just pre-emptiv…

Uk is not a powerhouse for anything outside finance, thinking they can start up a cluster in whatever sector from the city + Oxbridge is delusional
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