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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by Timon3 »

sharperguy wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

It could have been, but realistically only if the goal is "find problems in current legislation and improve". They started from "repeal current legislation and replace". It's like a developer deciding to just rewrite the legacy system, it won't lead you to your desired outcome.

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Post by pjc50 »

lstodd wrote: post #61
Nextgrid wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK's aversion to ID cards is weird as they are perfectly happy with HMRC having a database entry for them for example, so the government already has a record of everyone.

Those are two different things. HMRC may have numbers, but you're not required to get them tattooed on your arm. Which is the ID card scheme in fact is.

It's not an arm tattoo, it's an ID card.

The sad thing is that the UK has inflicted all the negative aspects of ID requirements on people without the consolation prize of a universal free ID.

If you have a job, rent a house, or have a bank account in the UK, you must have a government ID at the moment. Because people wanted that requirement barrier built so it could be used against immigrants.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pjc50 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #60
sharperguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

I don’t know, you’re talking about a surveillance-crazy culture, I don’t see them shying away from facial recognition.

Yeah, as with the US people will accept or even demand almost any authoritarian measure in the UK so long as it's used against people they don't like. But with some special UK pathologies.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by dewclin »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #55
dewclin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Returning back to the OT of surveillance and oversight, and as you're making this into a partisan issue, what would Labour do differently? "Authoritarian" concerns were expressed last time Labour was in government [1], and they're "seriously considering" resurrecting their policy of mandatory id cards if they get in power again [2]. And, before I get smeared as a "Tory"/"Brexiteer", I am not - I'm someone who remembe…

> as you're making this into a partisan issue Criticising the current PM doesn't automatically make it a partisan issue IMHO. Personally I don't actually care what party they're in. I care how {badly} the {party who are currently in power} are running the country. > neither party offers an alternative to increasing surveillance in the UK I agree. They're all worthy of criticsm at the moment. And particularly the ones…

> Criticising the current PM doesn't automatically make it a partisan issue IMHO.

In hindsight I was wrong to say that; it was a bad choice of words. I agree with you. Thanks.

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Post by nancyhn »

afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

You may be surprised by how this plays out. UK has a golden opportunity, as Paul Graham recently wrote:

I knew EU regulators would be freaking out about AI. I didn't anticipate that this freaking out would take the form of unbelievably stupid draft regulations, though in retrospect it's obvious. Regulators gonna regulate.

At this point if I were a European founder planning to do an AI startup, I might just pre-emptively move elsewhere. The chance that the EU will botch regulation is just too high. Even if they noticed and corrected the error (datum: cookie warnings), it would take years.

Now that I think about it, this could be a huge opportunity for the UK. If the UK avoided making the same mistakes, they could be a haven from EU AI regulations that was just a short flight away.

It would be fascinating if the most important thing about Brexit, historically, turned out to be its interaction with the AI revolution. But history often surprises you like that.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pnw »

martinald wrote: post #32
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

I’m in the EU this week and I had no idea that the cookie banners were so obnoxious, every site has a huge page blocking banner, and plenty of US news sites seem to block EU traffic entirely. I had to use a VPN to access some sites.

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Post by blitzar »

sharperguy wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

> Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests.

The reality is that the EU legislation was toxic and loopholed at the behest of the UK and its special interests. The UK was not a moderating influence, but the UK was the one calling for no encryption and spying of the population.

If given a chance to improve or remove legislation the UK government will remove it NOT because its an assault on freedom and liberty, but because they dont think it goes far enough in curtailing freedom and liberty.

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Post by [deleted] »

afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

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Post by raverbashing »

pnw wrote: post #77
martinald wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

I’m in the EU this week and I had no idea that the cookie banners were so obnoxious, every site has a huge page blocking banner, and plenty of US news sites seem to block EU traffic entirely. I had to use a VPN to access some sites.

Funnily enough the ones that block are usually "State/City local news" website, which have a tiny, if not null EU audience already (meaning in practice nobody would care)

Now if the popups are obnoxious whose fault is it? (To answer that just notice how many other obnoxious popups/overlays/etc the same site has about other stuff)

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