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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by moffkalast »

gpderetta wrote: post #25
afavour wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no, no, you’ve got it all wrong. You were subject to the tyranny of bureaucrats .

What have the R̶o̶m̶a̶n̶s̶ EU ever done for us?

The single market?

What?

The single market.

Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

And the peace funds.

Oh, yeah, the peace funds, Reg. Remember what Northern Ireland used to be like?

Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the single market and the peace funds are two things that the EU have done.

And the Erasmus programme.

Well, yeah. Obviously the Erasmus programme. I mean, that goes without saying, doesn't it? But apart from the peace funds, the single market, and the Erasmus programme--

Food standards.

GDPR.

Huh? Heh? Huh...

Climate policies.

Ohh...

Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

And the chorizo.

Oh, yes. Yeah...

Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if we left the EU. Huh.

Cross-border healthcare.

And it's easier to travel to Spain now, Reg.

Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

All right, but apart from the single market, GDPR, climate policies, chorizo, order, food standards, Erasmus programme, a cross-border healthcare system, and peace funds, what has the EU ever done for us?

Prevented wars?

Oh shut up!

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by Macha »

wafflemaker wrote: post #34
kmlx wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the regulation is a joke anyway, so why pretend? same with gdpr and the so called online privacy. it’s all smoke and mirrors with an added serving of mixed anti-americanism and european protectionism. they should remove everything from the books until these things have heft. and if they can’t come up with something serious, why legislate in the first place? just for populism’s sake? (eg UK’s online safety bill)

What you call a joke does work albeit slowly. Most of pages have a 'reject all' button now. It didn't get there in the first iteration, but the effect is nice now. As a bonus, you quickly see who works in bad faith, by how it's implemented.

Sadly the reject all became widespread as companies switched over to negating it by hiding "legitimate interest" toggles in multiple sublevels of expandables.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by phatfish »

jklrtx wrote: post #8

Meanwhile, Sunak is celebrating himself with a nauseating propaganda video: https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1660560546465193984 Look how clean and groomed our dear leaders are while they are surveilling the population and ruin the economy. Whatever it takes!

Defending democracy in Ukraine is one of the few instances where I agree with the current UK government.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by clnq »

malfist wrote: post #44
johannes1234321 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it isn't working. Facebook/Meta was fined a billion today, but still will not respect user's privacy.

Sounds like it needs stronger teeth. Not to be neutered.

I feel like "it doesn't work as intended so it never will, do not try" - an argument very frequently said by cynics, is the antithesis of the indomitable human spirit and human achievement. It's very harmful to anyone trying to do anything challenging.

Imagine if this was one of the principal virtues in human civilizations. Where would humanity be? Would we know the Earth is round and not the centre of the universe? Would we have vaccines or antibiotics? Would we have most of our art and literature? Would simple technologies like irrigation even exist? We would probably not have any advancements past about middle ages.

I don't understand why so many cynics tell this to others these days. Do they genuinely have a mindset that nothing is worth trying if it failed the first time?

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by tailspin2019 »

dewclin wrote: post #27
jklrtx wrote: post #8

Meanwhile, Sunak is celebrating himself with a nauseating propaganda video: https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1660560546465193984 Look how clean and groomed our dear leaders are while they are surveilling the population and ruin the economy. Whatever it takes!

Returning back to the OT of surveillance and oversight, and as you're making this into a partisan issue, what would Labour do differently? "Authoritarian" concerns were expressed last time Labour was in government [1], and they're "seriously considering" resurrecting their policy of mandatory id cards if they get in power again [2]. And, before I get smeared as a "Tory"/"Brexiteer", I am not - I'm someone who remembe…

> as you're making this into a partisan issue

Criticising the current PM doesn't automatically make it a partisan issue IMHO.

Personally I don't actually care what party they're in. I care how {badly} the {party who are currently in power} are running the country.

> neither party offers an alternative to increasing surveillance in the UK

I agree. They're all worthy of criticsm at the moment. And particularly the ones currently in power.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by pier25 »

moffkalast wrote: post #51
gpderetta wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What have the R̶o̶m̶a̶n̶s̶ EU ever done for us?

The single market? What? The single market. Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah. And the peace funds. Oh, yeah, the peace funds, Reg. Remember what Northern Ireland used to be like? Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the single market and the peace funds are two things that the EU have done. And the Erasmus programme. Well, yeah. Obviously the Erasmus programme. I mean, that goes without saying,…

Brillant!

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by tailspin2019 »

phatfish wrote: post #53
jklrtx wrote: post #8

Meanwhile, Sunak is celebrating himself with a nauseating propaganda video: https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1660560546465193984 Look how clean and groomed our dear leaders are while they are surveilling the population and ruin the economy. Whatever it takes!

Defending democracy in Ukraine is one of the few instances where I agree with the current UK government.

100% agree.

For all the things I can think of to complain about our current government, this is not one of them.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by DannyBee »

afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

"By people who aren’t listening to you."

This is the part everyone wants to say but isn't right. They are usually listening to people, just not people who agree with you :)

One of the grand follies is to assume politicians are not doing what their constituents support.

They almost always are, and often enjoy incredibly high local support/satisfaction ratings, even when the national ones are in the toilet.

They spend significant amounts of time polling and understanding how their constituents will react to issues and votes.

Now, you may want to argue those constituents are ignorant, or don't know what the vote really means, or whatever, but it's a sideshow.

I often see people say "well 70% of people in the country support X so politicians aren't listening". But when you break it down, they are usually voting in alignment with constituent support, and it's just a variant of Simpson's paradox in action (overall population vs subgroups).

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by johannes1234321 »

malfist wrote: post #44
johannes1234321 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it isn't working. Facebook/Meta was fined a billion today, but still will not respect user's privacy.

Sounds like it needs stronger teeth. Not to be neutered.

I hoped it was clear that I was referencing the previous post, where compliance costs where said to be too high, by countering that fines are too low.

Yes, we need more effective GDPR, not less.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

sharperguy wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

I don’t know, you’re talking about a surveillance-crazy culture, I don’t see them shying away from facial recognition.
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