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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by stevenhuang »

illiac786 wrote: post #513
stevenhuang wrote: post #512

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The more heat lithium ion batteries are subject to, the more they degrade. For any given wattage, wireless charging will always generate more heat. It really isn't more difficult than that. You don't need to be skeptical about physics. I've already addressed in my first post the differences are likely marginal, as people get new phones within a few years anyways. Doesn't mean additional degradation didn't happen.

I give up. I'm curious, you are clearly not. Why does everyone seem to disagree with you? Does the fact that the copper coil get hot instead of the battery itself have any influence? Do you have empirical data? Etc. Etc. Just some examples, from the top of my mind...

When one is curious they tend to find the answer out themselves.

Copper coil in phones are next to the battery, it's going to heat up the cells.

I've already sent you one link and you've not acknowledged it. Good luck in your epistemic endeavors.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by spoiler »

jeroenhd wrote: post #440
spoiler wrote: post #357

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Oh, I was actually lamenting the lack of a stylus for Android tablets, mostly because I never "heard" of one. Do you know if it's worthwhile getting an Android tablet (like the Pixel Tablet) and the USI2 pen for digital painting? I mostly used Krita and a graphic tablet (although recently I'm doing it more traditional media to "unplug", so maybe getting a tablet is a step in the wrong direction)

I've never used an Apple stylus but my experience with the Samsung stylus is quite good, especially the higher end tablet models. Not having to charge the stylus and the fact they come bundled with their tablets is a nice bonus (often skewing many price comparison websites because they don't take the extra $100 for the stylus into account). Software support in all art apps I've tried has been excellent. The Android v…

I'm already a Krita user, so this is great news to me! I might seriously consider buying a nice tablet to replace my old setup.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply!

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by fwn »

coolg54321 wrote: post #375
kentiko wrote: post #364

Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.

Google is similar to a person with ADHD when it comes to hardware and services, they are not going to be with it for very long while jumping to make another.

As a person with ADHD, I hope this misrepresentation does not become a common saying.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by digging »

Jedd wrote: post #503
digging wrote: post #475

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Missing the point.

Au contraire. A vendor has produced a device that does what it does, and is marketed at an optimised price point. Someone has looked at it and said 'this device should be a different device' and claimed that it's a trivial matter to make it more like a device that they want. I can't dispute they want a different device, but I can dispute it's a) trivial, and b) sensible, for the vendor to have produced a different de…

No, your comment did totally miss the poiint. They were discussing how they believed a better implementation would have been doable, not too expensive, and fulfilled many needs in one device.

Your response was suggesting to just buy a second device. That wasn't useful; they know they can buy a second device, and we know they know that because they mentioned that device originally.

They never asked "How can I have all this functionality in my home?", but that's the question your comment was answering.

> I can dispute it's a) trivial, and b) sensible, for the vendor to have produced a different device instead

Agreed. That would have usefully contributed to the discussion about whether or not it would have been trivial and sensible.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by Jedd »

digging wrote: post #524
Jedd wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Au contraire. A vendor has produced a device that does what it does, and is marketed at an optimised price point. Someone has looked at it and said 'this device should be a different device' and claimed that it's a trivial matter to make it more like a device that they want. I can't dispute they want a different device, but I can dispute it's a) trivial, and b) sensible, for the vendor to have produced a different de…

No, your comment did totally miss the poiint. They were discussing how they believed a better implementation would have been doable, not too expensive, and fulfilled many needs in one device. Your response was suggesting to just buy a second device. That wasn't useful; they know they can buy a second device, and we know they know that because they mentioned that device originally. They never asked "How can I have all…

If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bicycle.

It wasn't a 'better implementation' they were proposing, just a different one.

A configuration that would necessarily involve more $'s -- so this would immediately be the opposite of better for people who are happy with the actual existing price & feature matrix.

It would also add more complexity - unique firmware, operational questions around what happens if either / both components are playing music before they are docked / undocked, etc.

The poster was tacitly suggesting an extra $50 for unwanted features was a small price for everyone else to pay for their convenience. I was suggesting their needs could be readily satisfied, without it costing anyone else anything, by them obtaining two discrete units.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by dabernathy89 »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

Follow-up: the display on this tablet is not as good as I initially thought. It's great for media consumption but not great for text. Seems to have something to do with the subpixel layout required by the OLED display.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by m45t3r »

scarface74 wrote: post #505
m45t3r wrote: post #499

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> The original poster just said that some apps required the latest OS. Yes, of course there is a small number of apps that will need the latest OS, because they're trying to do something new that is not possible before etc. This is not true for 99% of the apps that you use though, and is specially not true for apps used by the mass market like Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/your bank because you would be crazy to only su…

The equivalent iPad in 2013 when your tablet was released is the 1st iPad Air that had a slightly better screen than your Asus and a much better processor - the A7. It stopped getting OS updates in 2019 and also got a security update January of this year. The version of WebKit available in 2019 is not “ancient”.

> The equivalent iPad in 2013 when your tablet was released is the 1st iPad Air that had a slightly better screen than your Asus and a much better processor

Apple didn't had that much advantage in CPU power them, looking at the benchmarks A7 seems to be ~30% faster that isn't "much better".

Also, iPad was way expensive than my tablet, specially in my country. It was fifty percent more expensive. 50% more expensive for 30% more performance looked really bad for that time. The screen being better in the Air also didn't matter because I choose LG G Pad 8.3 exactly because it had a 8.3 inch screen.

> The version of WebKit available in 2019 is not “ancient”.

It is. This is at least 4 years without relevant security updates (except maybe for "extremely critical") and without improvements in Web standards.

I could get that same tablet today and get a modern browser like Chrome to run with relatively acceptable performance.

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