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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by neodymiumphish »

jweir wrote: post #213
wincy wrote: post #103

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What was the media bias thing? Can you describe it in more detail? What was silly about it?

You could search news and have an option to select if you wanted your results more right wing or left wing. It was a show off feature that solved a problem I’m not sure anyone needed solving. And I doubt it was cheap to create. This alone didn’t raise an eyebrow but looking back now I see it as a misdirection.

I thought it was great. Way way to get a sense of the headlines posted about a given topic from either side's perspective. It might have been easily implemented using something like ground.news

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Post by StockHuman »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

As an aside, I recently made Orion my default across my devices, and I wonder of paid browser is more viable than paid search.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by neodymiumphish »

lolinder wrote: post #188
esafak wrote: post #92

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Maybe for others, but I find them a huge annoyance, to the point that I am willingly paying Neeva, and looking for a new paid search engine. I did not ask for ads, and I can pay, so why should I suffer them? If I want to buy something, I will search for it. I would not welcome a salesman who interrupted my dinner with a voucher for my next meal; I'd give him a wedgie.

Most people who are annoyed by ads just use an ad blocker. I know there are people with ethical qualms about it, but "hates ads but has ethical aversion to blocking them" isn't a large enough market to support a VC-funded startup.

Ad blocking is a constant, annoying cat and mouse game. Also, it's inconsistent across devices. I can block ads much more easily on a PC than on my Android.

I'll happily subscribe to whatever service I find that's closest to what I've had with Neeva.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by lolinder »

neodymiumphish wrote: post #253
lolinder wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people who are annoyed by ads just use an ad blocker. I know there are people with ethical qualms about it, but "hates ads but has ethical aversion to blocking them" isn't a large enough market to support a VC-funded startup.

Ad blocking is a constant, annoying cat and mouse game. Also, it's inconsistent across devices. I can block ads much more easily on a PC than on my Android. I'll happily subscribe to whatever service I find that's closest to what I've had with Neeva.

Firefox for Android has uBlock Origin, and I've never felt like I'm playing cat and mouse with uBO.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by Zak »

collaborative wrote: post #209
Zak wrote: post #151

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"Hey everyone, I'm working on [commercial product]" from someone who isn't already an active member of a community will be seen as spam most places regardless of big tech influence. A bit of searching finds a couple posts about Neeva on big subreddits, which typically didn't get any traction[0]. Of course, the conspiratorial answer is that reddit lies about votes to suppress things it doesn't like, but I have seen no…

Interesting. What I mean is that forums used to feel welcoming and moderators were much more hands off - usually only acting because of general outcries People would also usually post from multiple users whereas now it's all about tanking karma

I think the volume of self-promotion in places that allow it has increased to a point that failing to take some action to limit it will lead to a forum most people don't want to participate in more often than not.

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Post by TradingPlaces »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Hi Vlad! Kagi subscriber here. Been thinking about this since Neeva dropped that, and I think bootstrapping is why you’re still running and they aren’t. Good luck!

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by weinzierl »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #246
weinzierl wrote: post #230

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Fellow Kagi user here and for me the search results are so similar to Google's that day-to-day I don't notice which search engine I'm using. This is good and bad: Kagi is on par with Google but for me it hasn't enough benefit to pay for it in the long run. When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking…

People complain about how terrible Google's search results are with unrelated spam cluttering most SERPs. Do you find that to be the case on Kagi?

Good point. I use Kagi like it was Google and I'm so used to unrelated spam that it doesn't bother me much (sadly). I cannot tell if it is more or less on Kagi.

I only realized after reading your comment that I can block and boost results in Kagi and I will definitely start using that. I think I did injustice to Kagi in my previous comment, because it does more or less what I wished for without me noticing. (The fact that I pay for it makes it even more embarrassing;-)

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Post by amai »

Brave Search AI Summarizer is surprisingly useful: https://brave.com/ai-summarizer/

I see myself using Brave search more and more. And it is completely free in opposition to Neeva. I claim nobody is going to pay for search. But people might switch from Google for better features and more privacy.

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Post by freediver »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #153
freediver wrote: post #148

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> I’ve been extremely happy with it as my switch from google so now I’m left wanting. I am curious have you given Kagi a chance?

I have and liked what it was, but I really liked the GPT summary at the top of Neeva. I'll look again at Kagi

Kagi has the same thing, it is called "Quick Answer".

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Post by joanfihu »

fogzen wrote: post #142
freediver wrote: post #123

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I accept that, I am not trying to predict the future, but to create it with my work. How do you see search develop in two to five years?

The exact same, maybe using AI on the backend to improve results, maybe for language translation. But AI is useless in search for the most part. People are looking for a specific thing quickly with the least typing. People don’t want to have a conversation with a chat bot to personalize their results. I think AI is overhyped right now. Very few real businesses being built on GPT outside of copywriting and blog spam,…

That’s the point of AI in search.

It will help you surface information faster.

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