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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by viraptor »

ttapp wrote: post #129
t0bia_s wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your search queries on Kagi are paired with your credit card, so if that doesn't bother you, ChatGTP shouldn't either.

I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to bother anyone. I always use a browser profile that's not signed into anything when searching, whether that's for work or personal. I know this does not guarantee privacy, but why make it easy for them?

The whole point of using Kagi for me is that I've got my search options customised and I'm paying for a service better than the alternatives. The payment privacy aspect of that lives on a completely different layer: you'd need to first solve the KYC -vs- privacy problem, and that's more of a politics problem than tech.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by fogzen »

freediver wrote: post #123
jimsimmons wrote: post #120

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Sorry this is totally unsubstantiated fantasy. You’re not even wrong. I don’t know how to point that out here

I accept that, I am not trying to predict the future, but to create it with my work. How do you see search develop in two to five years?

The exact same, maybe using AI on the backend to improve results, maybe for language translation. But AI is useless in search for the most part. People are looking for a specific thing quickly with the least typing. People don’t want to have a conversation with a chat bot to personalize their results.

I think AI is overhyped right now. Very few real businesses being built on GPT outside of copywriting and blog spam, and consumer toys (avatars, art, funny filters).

I also think Google knows it’s not as disruptive as people think it is.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by seventytwo »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

I’ve been really happy with Kagi! It’s much better on technical searches and doesn’t try to direct me to the absolutely most profitable commercial results like google does. Love the lenses also. It feels weird paying for search, but I think the price is fair.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by usaar333 »

jessfyi wrote: post #34

They never seemed focused on their core mission of delivering better search results than Google and instead felt like they were constantly jumping from trend to trend to draw hype and subsequent funding rounds (the neeva.xyz crypto pivot is when I jumped off the train.) Simply being ad-free or "privacy" focused was never going to be enough for the average consumer or the user who wanted results beyond typical SEO spa…

neeva.xyz was a spin-off. I don't think it is affected by this shut down.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by somat »

TylerE wrote: post #132
somat wrote: post #87

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A strangely mixed metaphor, and incorrect, the buggy manufacturer did well enough... for a while at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker

Not a mixed metaphor, it’s a standard phrase. Note buggy WHIP makers, not buggy makers.

It is mixed because it is comparing two different class of items

whips to cars does not really compare. Cars to buggies would compare or perhaps whips to steering wheels.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by taf2 »

impulser_ wrote: post #46
mg wrote: post #29

throughout this journey, we’ve discovered that it is one thing to build a search engine, and an entirely different thing to convince regular users of the need to switch to a better choice On the other hand, ChatGPT is the fastest growing product in human history. Because it beats Google for many types of searches. A friend of mine recently said that a good old Google search now feels like having to go to the library.…

Google is already building domain specific LLMs. They have Med-PaLM for medical, and Sec-PaLM for security.

Interesting that this is their approach I think in time we will find not specialized llms but instead a single big one like chatgpt exposed is the winner because it allows for a faster and easier way to access information without knowing the domain ahead of time. When google came out in the late 90s we had to learn the right way to search and that became a skill… the advantage of natural language as the interface is the possible removal of needing to know the right questions to ask as precisely as we have had to in the past. To me that is the big break through of chatgpt with respect to search and it remains to be seen if and when google will figure that out…

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by freediver »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #138

I’m a paying Neeva user and I was extremely surprised to see that they’re shutting down after less than a year in operation. I’ve been extremely happy with it as my switch from google so now I’m left wanting. Thanks free market

> I’ve been extremely happy with it as my switch from google so now I’m left wanting.

I am curious have you given Kagi a chance?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by data-abuse »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Love Kagi. Love paying for good software like it

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by vstollen »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #89
jimsimmons wrote: post #83

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At least on HN can we stop parroting this supposed open book strategy from 5D chess Nadella? Bing has failed to take away meaningful marketshare from Google by MSFT’s on admission https://www.theinformation.com/articles/microsoft-eyes-firef...

Anecdotally, after the first wave of excitement I don’t know anyone who still uses Bing chat. The value add in chat-augmented search isn’t huge IMO, and forcing the use of Edge doesn’t help.

I find lots of value in chat-augmented search. But, Bing is not ready yet. It is slow, hallucinates, only vaguely cites its sources and is therefore not trustworthy.

On the other hand, I am really happy with https://phind.com and find myself using it if I struggle to understand some concept.

For me, the power of the chat based apps is that I can explain my mental model and they can directly build upon that.

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