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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by NerdiDotOrg »

sshine wrote: post #219
easytiger wrote: post #197

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> Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Why does it matter when 95% of the links you click on those results will carry a dozen adverts? You are paying for a minor level of practical self righteousness

It matters to me because I believe the results are organically rated, i.e. nobody paid my search provider directly for top results. With Google you become used to skip the first paid results that visually differ every so slightly — so much so that less technically inclined people, when I observe them, will click the paid results not knowing the difference. I believe that, currently, Kagi is not building a profile of…

Personally I always click the ads so people get charged for them and it reduces their CRO, which may cause them to not pay Google for more ads.

Then I find my result

That said. I have used Google less than 20x since subscribing to GPT4. AI killed Google for me and I've been using it for half my life.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by roblabla »

NerdiDotOrg wrote: post #238
weinzierl wrote: post #230

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Fellow Kagi user here and for me the search results are so similar to Google's that day-to-day I don't notice which search engine I'm using. This is good and bad: Kagi is on par with Google but for me it hasn't enough benefit to pay for it in the long run. When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking…

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Kagi is fairly recent, something like a year old, so having 15 years in tech won't help you here. I doubt they're astroturfing like you're claiming, they actually have a decent number of users and a good following on HN. You can look at the numbers their previous posts on HN did[0].

Disclaimer: I'm also a happy user.

[0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=kagi

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Post by WeylandYutani »

AlexanderTheGr8 wrote: post #113
freediver wrote: post #94

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Let me have a stab at this: We will be at the end of the AI hype cycle we are currently in. Majority of AI/search startups that exist today will no longer be around, failing to find a viable business model that has a hope of profitability, as stuffing ads inside will put them in direct trajectory of Google/Microsoft's insane resources. Google and Microsoft situation will be much better defined. One of these companies…

Thank you for your detailed response. It's illuminating. That being said, isn't this mostly speculative? Time after time, we have seen majority of people choose ads over subscription. The only successful digital subscription models have been for streaming (netflix etc), ecommerce (amazon etc); basically things that have never been ads-supported. I have never seen a service/industry move from ads to subscription. Peop…

Cynically I think if you're paying a subscription you are painting a target on your back for advertising.

HERE BE SOMEONE WITH MONEY

iPhone users are a perfect example of this.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by notcensored02 »

kovac wrote: post #240
notcensored02 wrote: post #235

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Hi notcensored02, thanks for the comment, and I get where you are coming from. But, I don't think it was ever free to host your own services since we have to pay to buy computers to use as servers, electricity, internet connection and since the ISPs broke the internet, IP addresses. In some sense, the problem was companies starting to offer these things FOC except we didn't realize the true cost of it then.

I make youtube videos empowering people, showing them how to do many things that might otherwise cost them money if they didn't know better.

The last few videos I made were

1. How to download, decrypt, and OCR (searchable text) books from the internet archive using Debian Linux and python3.

2. How to run your own Jitsi Meet voip WebRTC voice chat web server which allows for end-to-end-encryption.

3. How to download published papers from scihub because they don't actually cost $40 each for a 2MB pdf file.

I think people forgot the spirit of the internet, and I won't allow it to be forgotten. The internet is not television 2.0. It's already way too commercialized as it is. People are trying to charge money for ambient audio sleep apps now. It needs to be discouraged.

----------- This website continues to delete my comments. It's one of the most locked down, censored websites I've ever seen, and I've been here since 1995. Here's what I ACTUALLY said.

Hi kovac. This is the internet. You don't pay for things. What the hell are you doing?

You guys need to stop paying for crap. This stuff has been historically free. With more and more people paying for things that have been free, pretty soon they'll be trying to charge for BROWSERS. Hi. KNOCK IT OFF.

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Post by hammyhavoc »

weinzierl wrote: post #230
_benj wrote: post #174

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I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries. I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with…

Fellow Kagi user here and for me the search results are so similar to Google's that day-to-day I don't notice which search engine I'm using. This is good and bad: Kagi is on par with Google but for me it hasn't enough benefit to pay for it in the long run. When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking…

People complain about how terrible Google's search results are with unrelated spam cluttering most SERPs. Do you find that to be the case on Kagi?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by leadingthenet »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #246
weinzierl wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fellow Kagi user here and for me the search results are so similar to Google's that day-to-day I don't notice which search engine I'm using. This is good and bad: Kagi is on par with Google but for me it hasn't enough benefit to pay for it in the long run. When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking…

People complain about how terrible Google's search results are with unrelated spam cluttering most SERPs. Do you find that to be the case on Kagi?

I’m not the OP, but in my opinion, yes, absolutely. Kagi makes it really easy to completely filter out certain domains, raise or lower the priorities for others, and to even pin results from your favourite sites.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by hammyhavoc »

leadingthenet wrote: post #247
hammyhavoc wrote: post #246

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People complain about how terrible Google's search results are with unrelated spam cluttering most SERPs. Do you find that to be the case on Kagi?

I’m not the OP, but in my opinion, yes, absolutely. Kagi makes it really easy to completely filter out certain domains, raise or lower the priorities for others, and to even pin results from your favourite sites.

Interesting! I'll have to check it out. Not being able to filter domains automatically filter or prioritize certain domains has become a real point of annoyance for me.

Main one being all these spammy StackExchange mirrors and similar. A lot of ChatGPT-like blogspam that just seem to be pages to get people to go and buy something from Amazon too.

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Post by achenet »

freediver wrote: post #117
AlexanderTheGr8 wrote: post #113

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Thank you for your detailed response. It's illuminating. That being said, isn't this mostly speculative? Time after time, we have seen majority of people choose ads over subscription. The only successful digital subscription models have been for streaming (netflix etc), ecommerce (amazon etc); basically things that have never been ads-supported. I have never seen a service/industry move from ads to subscription. Peop…

The example you gave is actually quite telling actually. There are already 25 million people who pay for Youtube Premium today. By any account that is a tremendously large number for a product that really does not offer any innovation or advantage over the ad-supported version. So people are ready. And ad-free search products like the one Kagi is building are able to offer much more value and features than their ad-s…

> 25 million people who pay for Youtube Premium today.

and there are 2.5 billion monthly active users on Youtube, according to [0].

So about 1% of the userbase are willing to pay for ad-free content.

[0] https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/youtube-users-statis...

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Post by fooker »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #231
omegant wrote: post #88

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Google has been unusable for some years. Limited results, capped searches… such a difference with the original Google, it’s just a ghost of what it used to be. I’m definitely going to give Kagi a try, I hope you are not restricting results by politics or so. I’m paying for Chat gpt at the moment but I still need to just search and not to be spoon fed curated results all the time… the moment they include payed adverti…

I've been using Google professionally for 10 years and 10 more before that as a hobbyist, and there has not been a degradation of the results. Every single time I have had someone claim that, and they then shared their search methodology, it became extremely obvious that the problem is between the keyboard and the chair, not in the search engine.

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