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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Love Kagi! Thank you for your hard work and amazing product!

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to bother anyone. I always use a browser profile that's not signed into anything when searching, whether that's for work or personal. I know this does not guarantee privacy, but why make it easy for them?

The whole point of using Kagi for me is that I've got my search options customised and I'm paying for a service better than the alternatives. The payment privacy aspect of that lives on a completely different layer: you'd need to first solve the KYC -vs- privacy problem, and that's more of a politics problem than tech.

I don't care what kind of problem it is. That doesn't change the threat model.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Building a bot to crawl all of the Internet and save it to an index is a fairly straightforwards task. As Google and Pagerank proved though, it's the algorithm you use to search that index that's valuable. Any idiot can try and run grep against said index and give 30,000 results, of which the one you want is on page 53. So writing the crawler to build the index isn't really a competitive advantage. Why then reinvent…

You're conflating crawling with querying/ranking in a weird way. And: grep - are you serious? (Yes, you also namedropped Pagerank for some odd reason.) The thing is, though: You can't easily outsource the crawling and then do the quering/ranking inhouse. The reverse index and various other data structures you need are inherently tied to the data structures from the crawler output. This is a very large amount of data…

You are taking his hyperbole of what an idiot would do as a literal example.

Please, relax.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries.

I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with some friends that are also using it and even though they also reacted to the price change, they decided to stay (just like me) because of the early adopters price.

This part is totally unsolicited advice, but I find my self searching quite often for the same thing, like, my browser will remember a search instead of the domain of the thing I’m searching for (i.e. wanna go to namecheap, my browser remembers the namecheap kagi search instead of namecheap.com), maybe there could be some space to optimize repeated searches? Idk, if I’ve made a search X times the just cache it and return me the same result, don’t count that towards the total, and add a little message that the results are cached and if I want to search again click there? I know I could make bookmarks but changing behaviors is a way taller ask than caching. Anyways, best of luck and I really really hope that kagi stays afloat!

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Too bad they chose the wrong differentiation, when Neeva launched I wrote: "if I were Neeva, I'd attempt to make search a better experience, by providing better results and context than Google does. I'd classify users according to their search history/sophistication and prefer results that other users in their class have found helpful, while at the same time making clear that the results are tailored based on their search history and offering a way to remove the class restriction. Search that uses my and other users search history to become better, in a transparent way, that's what I'd subscribe to." http://benconrad.net/posts/200629_searchingForInformation/

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Watch the movie “other people’s money” for the original reference

The original reference is probably Levitt's "Marketing Myopia" ( https://books.google.com/books?id=Zn4foOUm3AoC ). Levitt uses it to illustrate that companies should focus on customers rather than products.

Well OPM came out in 1991 so I doubt it.

https://youtu.be/62kxPyNZF3Q

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Let me have a stab at this: We will be at the end of the AI hype cycle we are currently in. Majority of AI/search startups that exist today will no longer be around, failing to find a viable business model that has a hope of profitability, as stuffing ads inside will put them in direct trajectory of Google/Microsoft's insane resources. Google and Microsoft situation will be much better defined. One of these companies…

Thank you for your detailed response. It's illuminating. That being said, isn't this mostly speculative? Time after time, we have seen majority of people choose ads over subscription. The only successful digital subscription models have been for streaming (netflix etc), ecommerce (amazon etc); basically things that have never been ads-supported. I have never seen a service/industry move from ads to subscription. Peop…

> That being said, isn't this mostly speculative?

No. The commenter you replied to is actually a time traveler sent back from 2025.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

#179

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

I'm a happy Neeva user and I'll miss it. I even liked the media bias feature. Tried a Google search yesterday and it was ridiculously pointless. I'm looking forward to trying your product.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

#180
I used Neeva for a while as my primary search engine. They had good ideas but seemed to want to do everything (poorly) instead of committing to anything in particular.

They had "spaces". They had an ability to demote (but not actually block) sites from results. They had the ability to filter results type (documentation, blog etc.), but that ability was poorly implemented. They had a half-assed browser to filter out cookies. They finally launched a Chat AI response that was slow and laughably inaccurate - searching for their CTO's name returned a nonsensical mishmash of several people's bios.

As with so many startups before them, it wasn't competition that killed them, it was the lack of focus.

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