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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by mmh0000 »

freediver wrote: post #122
emrah wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see some people are downvoting my comment because it is suggesting an option that uses AI I'm not biased, i neither like or dislike AI or any other tech. Perplexity seems to use gpt-3 under the hood but i couldn't care less about that. What i care about is that it allows me to dig into and learn new subjects in a way that was not possible before. It's so much better than google, ddg etc that i do most of my "diggin…

We already have an experiment called FastGPT: https://labs.kagi.com/fastgpt Also we have a ton of AI features in Kagi, they are just not 'in your face' but we have an AI integration philosophy that we are sticking to: https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search

Nice! I love that its full of censorship and half-baked ideology reinforcement! Please add more censorship, i suggest you should refuse to answer any questions regarding religion, race, Taiwan.

  “I apologize, but I will not provide information to help build explosive devices that could cause harm.”
For the sarcasm impaired. All of the above is sarcasm! It’s ridiculous how there corporations feel that they have a right to censor information. Information that i could easy get at any library.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by stonogo »

somat wrote: post #145
TylerE wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a mixed metaphor, it’s a standard phrase. Note buggy WHIP makers, not buggy makers.

It is mixed because it is comparing two different class of items whips to cars does not really compare. Cars to buggies would compare or perhaps whips to steering wheels.

No, it's not mixed. It's related to the saying about the people who get rich off a gold rush being the ones who sell shovels. In the buggy-whip case, it's about a company not understanding the market changing entirely to make them obsolete. The transportation market moved to cars, and so nobody needs a buggy whip.

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Post by KomoD »

lol, not surprised, it was bad and i didnt trust their "privacy" aspect at all considering the founders are ex-svp of ads at google, ex-vp of monetization at youtube, and had a bunch of ex-google employees

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by stonogo »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #139
somat wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A strangely mixed metaphor, and incorrect, the buggy manufacturer did well enough... for a while at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker

Watch the movie “other people’s money” for the original reference

The original reference is probably Levitt's "Marketing Myopia" (https://books.google.com/books?id=Zn4foOUm3AoC). Levitt uses it to illustrate that companies should focus on customers rather than products.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by KomoD »

moneywoes wrote: post #147

> part of the shutdown, we are deleting all user data. Apple iOS subscribers, please go to https://reportaproblem.apple.com/ to request your refund as soon as possible. Seems like a dark pattern what if they don’t find out in time?

How is that a dark pattern?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by perelin »

jjeaff wrote: post #42
echelon wrote: post #22

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Or a lot less profitable. “From now on, the [gross margin] of search is going to drop forever,” Nadella said in an interview with the Financial Times. “There is such margin in search, which for us is incremental. For Google it’s not, they have to defend it all,” he added, referring to the competition against Google as “asymmetric”. https://www.ft.com/content/2d48d982-80b2-49f3-8a83-f5afef98e... https://archive.is/4JO…

I'm curious what the 50% figure includes? Because my understanding is that about 60% of Google's total revenue is search ads, and if you include network ads (which would be relevant since they are at risk from AI as well) then it is more like 70%.

There is a good visualization of Googles income statement here

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/xjbpfo/oc_...

looks you are about right

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by kovac »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Hello, I looked at Kagi and found it too expensive. I'm a paying user for many software I use: vpn, email, git to list a few. And i am willing to pay a reasonable price for a search service. To put it in to perspective, my vpn costs less than $9 a month and I use it for high speed multimedia streaming, video games with no limits on usage. I hope you can come up with more reasonable pricing plans or consider open-sourcing the software. In which case I'll support it as a matter of principle.

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Post by Daunk »

kovac wrote: post #167
freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Hello, I looked at Kagi and found it too expensive. I'm a paying user for many software I use: vpn, email, git to list a few. And i am willing to pay a reasonable price for a search service. To put it in to perspective, my vpn costs less than $9 a month and I use it for high speed multimedia streaming, video games with no limits on usage. I hope you can come up with more reasonable pricing plans or consider open-sour…

This is a bit off-topic, but sadly, I have to agree. I AM a paying Kagi user, but the new limits have hit me extremely hard. I'm now paying twice as much per month and still almost hitting my monthly limit. I really don't want Kagi to go away but I think they have to adjust their prices if they want to keep thier customers around, me included

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Post by mtmail »

collaborative wrote: post #130
Zak wrote: post #75

I'm in the target audience. I know what a search engine is. I know how to change my default search engine in all of my browsers, which I know are distinct from search engines. I care about privacy enough that I default to DuckDuckGo, not Google. It would take some convincing, but I'm neither opposed nor unable to pay for a better search engine. I read HN somewhat regularly. This is the first time I've heard of Neeva.

Distribution is blocked by big tech and even mentioning what you are working on will get you perma banned from most subreddits because of "spam" In fact, HN is a rara avis in that it allows "Show HN" posts

Rara avis: latin for "rare bird"

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by hgsgm »

echelon wrote: post #22
marban wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bing doesn't need to win — they just want Google to be a little less profitable.

Or a lot less profitable. “From now on, the [gross margin] of search is going to drop forever,” Nadella said in an interview with the Financial Times. “There is such margin in search, which for us is incremental. For Google it’s not, they have to defend it all,” he added, referring to the competition against Google as “asymmetric”. https://www.ft.com/content/2d48d982-80b2-49f3-8a83-f5afef98e... https://archive.is/4JO…

I'm surprised that a court-proven antitrust violator Microsoft would speak so openly about abusing it's dominant position in a different business to finance dumping a different product at low price to destroy a competitor.
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