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Not best product. The only product. IMO altavista and yahoo were so far behind they were hopeless, relying on unchanged habits and noisy news.
Alltheweb was good
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Or a lot less profitable. “From now on, the [gross margin] of search is going to drop forever,” Nadella said in an interview with the Financial Times. “There is such margin in search, which for us is incremental. For Google it’s not, they have to defend it all,” he added, referring to the competition against Google as “asymmetric”. https://www.ft.com/content/2d48d982-80b2-49f3-8a83-f5afef98e... https://archive.is/4JO…
I'm surprised that a court-proven antitrust violator Microsoft would speak so openly about abusing it's dominant position in a different business to finance dumping a different product at low price to destroy a competitor.
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Restaurants didn’t kill the supermarket. I still use Google, but sometimes I use ChatGPT where I may have used Google. But having said that we are still early. If ChatGPT gets access to current information and can quote sources, pull out pertinent parts of web pages, etc then I might stop using Google. That would be like a restaurant that lets you eat then leave with your weekly shop but at costco prices.
I feel like my Google searches are too short and precise in general; if I were to try getting the same information from an informal AI chat, it's a huge loss of productivity and efficiency I'd imagine. Google: " " = Full page of information including reviews, links to order delivery, directions, etc. All in a standard UI that doesn't change from restaurant to restaurant. Muscle memory takes over. ChatGPT: "Tell me ab…
The question is to what extent this "something" is answers to questions or content that is only useful in its original format.
Much respect to Neeva for being in the arena. Couple thoughts: * Outside of the HN crowd, I don't think the average consumer thinks of privacy as a differentiator. * I don't know if competing on general search is the way in. I think you need a wedge, and these new companies competing on a certain vertical (like search tools for developers). I see promise here, with specialized LLMs in the backend. * The biggest searc…
> Outside of the HN crowd, I don't think the average consumer thinks of privacy as a differentiator. Frankly, I think this community is the exact same. Pretend to care about privacy, but convenience comes first. Like, I think the AI fad here is a perfect demonstration. I dunno.
Unfortunately, people do not say what they truly think when internet points (formal sanctions in the sociological sense) are at stake.
They instead bend their commenting to align with the performative moralistic aspirations of the most extreme members of the group. Here it presents as an almost hysterical level of privacy absolutism over even trivial things at the expense of everything else. Reading HN you would think there’s a huge market of people living off the grid in a mosquito coast sense. But it’s a mirage.
You see this in tons of subreddits as well. Humans do weird things when you get us in large groups and gamify the interactions.
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To be clear, there aren't limits. You pay 1.5c per search. You can choose a level to get some bulk-search rates. Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Personally I think the pricing model is presented incorrectly - it would be better to charge per search, with say a $5 minimum and a $25 maximum.
> Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Why does it matter when 95% of the links you click on those results will carry a dozen adverts? You are paying for a minor level of practical self righteousness
The only place where Kagi is mostly worse is figuring out that the query is actually about a specific place and results should point to a map. At least for me.
Which makes sense. There are no Kagi maps. It might be interesting to leverage OSM.
Note that Neeva wasn't exactly a small player, managing to burn through $77.5M in VC funding over the space of just 3 years[0]. Note also that, at least at the start of that 3 year period, they simply bought in results from Bing rather than build their own index[1]. [0] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/neeva [1] https://www.protocol.com/neeva-search
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> Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Why does it matter when 95% of the links you click on those results will carry a dozen adverts? You are paying for a minor level of practical self righteousness
Not really. Kagi weeds out those pretty well in practice. The results are mostly same as from Google, but the crap is removed and organic sites get a boost. The only place where Kagi is mostly worse is figuring out that the query is actually about a specific place and results should point to a map. At least for me. Which makes sense. There are no Kagi maps. It might be interesting to leverage OSM.
It doesn't do that because that's impossible. If you search for something that's in the news, you visit the news site retrieved by the search engine. That has no bearing on the fact that site will, most likely, be heavily ad supported, most likely.
> organic sites get a boost.
Sorry but I can't infer any meaning from that fragment. What is an "organic site"?
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> Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Why does it matter when 95% of the links you click on those results will carry a dozen adverts? You are paying for a minor level of practical self righteousness
It matters to me because I believe the results are organically rated, i.e. nobody paid my search provider directly for top results. With Google you become used to skip the first paid results that visually differ every so slightly — so much so that less technically inclined people, when I observe them, will click the paid results not knowing the difference. I believe that, currently, Kagi is not building a profile of…
There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…
There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…
I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries. I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with…
When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking. The global ranking would filter out spam and useless content but the final ordering of the results could be determined by a locally running algorithm that learns my preferences. For example when searching for Rust it could filter out all gaming related content and only present me the programming language related results.