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To kill yourself by getting skin cancer?
15 minutes in the sun is low risk.
You've obviously not met a British person at the beach.
People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
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Should people quote DFW as an authority given his suicide? Using metaphors of physical reality for psychological states can make it falsely appear more immutable that it is. It is possible to escape the burning buildings of the mind and knowing that you have agency over your ideas can be an essential part of the reframing/rethinking/challenging that can free you from suffering. Letting people believe they are in a si…
> Should people quote DFW as an authority given his suicide? A very good writer who committed suicide is probably a great person from whose experience we might learn, especially since they expressed what might be their internal anguish so eloquently.
He might only teach as a counter-example.
He may be advocating for highly dysfunctional irrational thinking patterns that leads to suicide. They might be convincing, seductive and dangerous and should only be responsibly presented with clear context and challenge.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, I totally disagree. A vast majority of humans experience peace and joy. A vast majority of humans also experience suffering. Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"?
> Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"? Because it's important to fully empathize with those who have not yet learned to view pain as merely one of "all the manifold experiences that comprise" life. It's good that you understand this more spiritually sound perspective but to most people, suffering (meaning the innumerable cra…
Literally the default western perspective is "life is a rollercoaster"
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#94"...what is it we need but more life? What does the infant need but more life? What does the bosom of his mother give him but life in abundance? What does the old man need, whose limbs are weak and whose pulse is low, but more of the life which seems ebbing from him? Weary with feebleness, he calls upon death, but in reality it is life he wants. It is but the encroaching death in him that desires death. He longs for…
Another relevant quote by David foster wallace : The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will e…
> The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’
Yes, they do. Out of personal experience, when things are very bad and you have lost all hope of thing being able to get better ever, that is a strong incentive for suicide. Having any hope vs. none makes a crucial difference in whether life is bearable.
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#98As someone who attempted more than one time, I found interesting that's not a common knowledge. Maybe that's why in my country, Brazil, it's a "common excuses" from "average people" that a person died by suicide is a "coward".
PS: This is anecdotal experience I had talking with people about this matter.
Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living
#99We all die eventually, so what's the big deal with leaving early? I think they're making a bold choice to complete life on their own terms.
> … "making a bold choice to complete life on their own terms."
Or making the only choice they feel they have left to them when faced with unsurmountable obstacles to ending their pain in any other way… This "fuck everyone else but me" society we currently live in isn't real conducive to even noticing or caring about the pain of another human (except maybe to blame, ridicule, or add to said pain), let alone helping them end that pain in a positive manner.