Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keeping in line with the style of that comment: No, they're not.
Life is suffering. It's one of the 4 Noble truths of Buddhism. Ancient knowledge.
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#73This is why daily full-body sunlight exposure of 15-20 minutes without sunglasses and sunscreen is important.
To kill yourself by getting skin cancer?
Not a particularly high risk so long as you get suspicious skin changes checked out. Melanoma has an incredibly good prognosis so long as it's caught early, and unlike most cancers you have a very good chance of catching it early with adequate vigilance.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In others, like this one[0], I find it doubly tragic, as there are proven alternative solutions "eight years of help and 21 stints in rehab" sounds like they tried pretty hard to find a better solution. Not everyone can be cured.
Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.
Are you discounting the person who chose euthanasia’s experience with it by saying that though?
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#75This is something that I have had some personal experience with. I've known quite a few suicides, and survivors of the suicides of others. Very much a "walk a mile in a man's shoes" kind of thing. Everyone has opinions on the matter, until it hits them. Then, they have personal experience (not just an opinion). It sucks. In some cases, I can see why someone would want to end it all. In others, like this one[0], I fin…
Sidenote: You might want to describe that link, as The Independent redirects based on location and/or device language. All I get is the front page.
Headline is “Man in the Netherlands euthanised due to his alcohol addiction”
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#76This is something that I have had some personal experience with. I've known quite a few suicides, and survivors of the suicides of others. Very much a "walk a mile in a man's shoes" kind of thing. Everyone has opinions on the matter, until it hits them. Then, they have personal experience (not just an opinion). It sucks. In some cases, I can see why someone would want to end it all. In others, like this one[0], I fin…
Sidenote: You might want to describe that link, as The Independent redirects based on location and/or device language. All I get is the front page.
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#77This is something that I have had some personal experience with. I've known quite a few suicides, and survivors of the suicides of others. Very much a "walk a mile in a man's shoes" kind of thing. Everyone has opinions on the matter, until it hits them. Then, they have personal experience (not just an opinion). It sucks. In some cases, I can see why someone would want to end it all. In others, like this one[0], I fin…
Sidenote: You might want to describe that link, as The Independent redirects based on location and/or device language. All I get is the front page.
It's about a chap in Holland that was a recidivist alcoholic, who took advantage of the Dutch Euthanasia laws, to end his life.
There's really no way to put a positive spin on it. It sucks, no matter what opinions we hold on the matter.
The laws aren't the issue. If someone really wants to end things; they will. I have seen it many times, and alternative means can be absolutely devastating to the survivors.
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You are in fact agreeing with what I said, in that we do experience peace and joy whenever we manage to lessen some of our cravings (and overcoming a state of depression is an especially clear example of this). But very few people hold freeing themselves of their spiritual fetters as their fundamental goal in life, and even fewer manage to achieve this. Thus, there is clearly a way in which life is synonymous with su…
Again, I totally disagree. A vast majority of humans experience peace and joy. A vast majority of humans also experience suffering. Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"?
> Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"?
Because it's important to fully empathize with those who have not yet learned to view pain as merely one of "all the manifold experiences that comprise" life. It's good that you understand this more spiritually sound perspective but to most people, suffering (meaning the innumerable cravings and spiritual addictions that we are all subject to as part of living) is kind of a Big Deal. Sometimes it's so big of a deal that they make irreversible and very poorly considered decisions over it, as OP discusses.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.
Are you discounting the person who chose euthanasia’s experience with it by saying that though?
Nope.
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#80"...what is it we need but more life? What does the infant need but more life? What does the bosom of his mother give him but life in abundance? What does the old man need, whose limbs are weak and whose pulse is low, but more of the life which seems ebbing from him? Weary with feebleness, he calls upon death, but in reality it is life he wants. It is but the encroaching death in him that desires death. He longs for…
> What does the old man need, whose limbs are weak and whose pulse is low, but more of the life which seems ebbing from him?
The old man needs health and life. Without health, life would just be a tortured existence and at some point "enough is enough".*
* It doesn't help that for many old people, all their friends are also gone. Without their social circle, it's one less reason to hang around.