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Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Post by runarberg »

kloch wrote: post #226

I recently moved from a forested mountain to the center if a very small city. Even though there is a freeway 1/2 mile away road noise isn't bad as this area still has significant WFH %. It did take me 6 months to adapt to the very frequent emergency sirens, mostly fire/ambulance. It was jarring at first but now I've mostly tuned that out. Then there's garbage trucks with their very loud backup beeps several mornings…

I think I remember reading some studies about noise pollution back when I was studying psychology. Anxiety and stress is consistently higher among people that live near high noise pollution, even though they don’t complain about the noise, or even claim to notice it any more than people living in low noise environments.

In short, even though you got used to the noise, your brain didn’t.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #215
fnordpiglet wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What this tells me is that the internal combustion engine is a bad idea everywhere but especially in a dense urban core. People like both the dense urban core and the suburb single family home life style. They are very different modes of life. A lot of Europeans I know really like one or the other because they don’t really get them back home. The solution to road noise doesn’t have to be a dramatic rezoning and a rev…

Cars aren't loud because of the engines. A Tesla driving by isn't much louder than an equivalent ICE-powered alternative. A lot of the noise is the air resistance and the tyres.

Not in the urban core. Speeds are low in the urban core. Further, in my personal experience, busses make up most of the egregious noise with their extraordinarily loud ICEs. Some cities like SF have electric busses and they’re materially quieter than say NYC or seattle which have behemoth ICE noise death machines.

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Post by david-gpu »

darkteflon wrote: post #212
david-gpu wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somebody else in the thread showed you actual objective data on air pollution and you brushed it off. In Japan a substantial majority of people commute by transit, mostly by rail. How would air pollution be affected if as many people commuted by car as they typically do in North America? Cars are the subject of this post.

You’re absolutely right. I’ve lived here for 20 years but have no fucking idea what I’m talking about. What was I thinking. Carry on.

On a post discussing car noise pollution in North America you have spent hours and dozen of comments whinging about how terrible air pollution is in Tokyo and dismissing anybody presenting you with data. Do you have anything to contribute to the topic?

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Post by titanomachy »

pluijzer wrote: post #36

Like mentioned in the video Moppets are annoyingly loud. They are allowed on many of the bicycle paths (and go on the once they're not supposed to anyway). So if a city center diverges car traffic but has a bicycle path through it they ruin the otherwise calm. In my personal opinion they are not suited for bicycle paths at all. And don't get me started on 'brommobielen' (tiny cars that can go max. 45 km/h and you can…

Mopeds. “Moppet” is slang for child.

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Post by nonethewiser »

s_dev wrote: post #95
nonethewiser wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what is your rebuttal to that? Seems obvious that it's safer if you can hear it than if you cant.

The solution is obvious -- look both ways before crossing. Don't depend on sound only to ensure your survival crossing a road.

That's a small subset of all scenarios where a car making noise poses a danger.

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Post by wan23 »

chrisldgk wrote: post #115
michaelteter wrote: post #84

There are two issues here. One is that we need to come up with comprehensive solutions for reducing the number of vehicles in use. But that’s a difficult problem where solutions take decades and must be tailored to each scenario. But what can be addressed now is the engine and exhaust sound levels. Some vehicles are loud because their engines are working hard, but many vehicles are loud because people (boys) want the…

I think you’re focusing on the wrong issue here. Engine noise nowadays is a lot less of a problem than tire noise, especially with cars going 50km/h+. Some cars are loud because people want them to be, most cars are loud because the noise the tires make when driving is loud, and that only gets worse the more cars you have around.

I live next to a large road in NYC and for me the cars that are loud intentionally are by far the biggest problem when it comes to noise, followed by sirens and horns. The things that are designed to be noticed are the most noticeable.

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Post by rsynnott »

forinti wrote: post #210

My experience in Brazil and Uruguay is that since the 80s, cars have become much much quieter and also people don't honk as much. In Uruguay, especially, the bus fleet was awful in the 80s and 90s. They were very old, made a lot of noise, and polluted like hell. There are many electric buses nowadays and the old Leylands are gone. You don't see electric buses in Brazil and most of the noise comes from diesel buses an…

In a recent worrying sign that I’m turning into a grumpy old man, I got on a bus and was instinctively annoyed that it glided away more or less silently (it was a plug-in hybrid in battery mode). Double decker buses are _supposed_ to be noisy, damnit! (Back in the day they sounded like they were constantly about to explode, particularly if faced with even a minor hill; even pure diesel examples are a lot quieter these days…)

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Post by uoaei »

tristor wrote: post #230
michaelteter wrote: post #84

There are two issues here. One is that we need to come up with comprehensive solutions for reducing the number of vehicles in use. But that’s a difficult problem where solutions take decades and must be tailored to each scenario. But what can be addressed now is the engine and exhaust sound levels. Some vehicles are loud because their engines are working hard, but many vehicles are loud because people (boys) want the…

To be clear, I am speaking for pretty much all “car guys” to say we also hate popcorn tunes and stance too. These are both (inter-related) trends only popular with the very young and very low class promulgated via Tik Tok. No “car guy” is impressed by a busted up 20 year old BMW 318i with a popcorn tune, straight pipes, and rep wheels, but there’s a lot of barely 20-somethings who think it’s cool yet don’t know the f…

I don't think they're talking about the tuners, but rather the good ol' boys and their trukks, rolling coal being an extreme example.

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Post by kloch »

_t9ow wrote: post #227
kloch wrote: post #226

I recently moved from a forested mountain to the center if a very small city. Even though there is a freeway 1/2 mile away road noise isn't bad as this area still has significant WFH %. It did take me 6 months to adapt to the very frequent emergency sirens, mostly fire/ambulance. It was jarring at first but now I've mostly tuned that out. Then there's garbage trucks with their very loud backup beeps several mornings…

> I recently moved from a forested mountain to the center if a very small city May I ask why?

Life/partner changes required switching from owning a home to renting an apartment, at least for now. I have a strong preference for high altitude/views so ended up in a high-rise apartment.

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Post by DontTrustOver25 »

enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

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