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Post by saagarjha »

zamnos wrote: post #175
deet wrote: post #151

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I strongly doubt that the campus is any more of a force multiplier than a collection of far cheaper class A office buildings of similar capacity, with similarly serene grass and vegetation connecting them.

And that, dear reader, is how we ended up with hundreds of bland copy-cat Android phones to the iPhone. There's something to be said, mentally, for working somewhere that's inspiring. A shitty office in yet a clone of all the other office parks, buried in office-park-landia of San Jose, is not it. Even a stroll through the secret underground parking lot at Apple is inspiring with all the exotic cars that are owned by…

I worked in Apple Park. I now work on Android from a suburban office park. Believe me, the cars are the same, and completely irrelevant to anything you’re talking about.

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Post by crooked-v »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #419
crooked-v wrote: post #387

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The Wii U had the bigger issue that Nintendo never actually made it clear to a lot of people that it was even a new console rather than some kind of weird tablet add-on to an existing Wii.

It really was poor marketing. A simple "Wii 2" would have done better. I'm also confused about "switch OLED". Is it just a nicer screen or more than that?

> I'm also confused about "switch OLED". Is it just a nicer screen or more than that?

Upgraded screen, more battery and storage, and identical everything else.

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Post by sbuk »

sli wrote: post #186
cubefox wrote: post #138

From the information available so far, the Apple headset will be fairly close to Meta's Oculus Quest in terms of hardware: Portable and with external cameras to allow for orientation and "mixed reality". Maybe Apple is on the right track here, since the Oculus Quest has sold more units than all the other VR headsets combined. But there is one big difference: Apple's headset will be a very expensive premium product (a…

I'm willing to spend a lot on VR, but Apple would have to absolutely blow everything else out of the water at that price point. I have no doubt that a lot of Apple enthusiasts will buy them, but they've certainly chosen a specific market. You could buy a full Index kit, get the wireless upgrade for it, and then a full Vive Pro kit and its wireless upgrade, and have spent about the same amount of money.

Weeks before the original iPad was released, the very same people were speculating a starting price of $1000, this site, amongst others, collectively lost their shit. Release price? $500.

I’m not saying that it will be the same this time, but equally won’t be making statements based on what at the moment is a guess, educated or not.

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Post by saagarjha »

usernew wrote: post #331
white_dragon88 wrote: post #294

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That’s a whole lot of salt for something that actually exists and wasn’t a load of hot air. AirPod max headphones are brilliant devices. M1 chips have made laptops fast, quiet and cool while maintaining a very impressive speed (there’s nothing gimped about the MacBook). Iphones continue to be market leaders for a reason, they unite classical consumers You can not like it, but you can’t deny it. Maybe part of the reas…

The M1 chip can't run most software w/o virtualizing x86. I can't run about 90% of my work apps on it. It can't run any games kids play. Even the major vendors that run on Apple now had to rewrite their apps. In what world is this any kind of brilliance or win? Here, I built you a car with TVs for bumpers. It's brilliant! No, you're supposed to only drive it on side streets so there's no traffic behind you. You're dr…

> The M1 chip can't run most software w/o virtualizing x86. I can't run about 90% of my work apps on it.

Unless your work apps are Docker, Docker, and more Docker, this is almost certainly false. Even then, it’s just slow, not broken.

> There are many ARM CPUs out there, Apple made another one with some minor tweaks.

If 2x single threaded performance is “minor tweaks”, sure.

> For work, I get an 8-core xeon laptop w/ 128GB of ECC RAM, that runs cool, quiet, and just as fast as Apple.

FWIW I’ve typically found that my personal computer generally beats my work machines specced similarly to this.

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Post by sbuk »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #161
ska wrote: post #149

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> you couldn’t pay me to wear an Apple Watch all day That's your preference, but it's clear that lots of people not just willingly, but enthusiastically do this; makes this an odd example. Likewise Siri/Alexa I guess - I would never use them but some people do dozens of times a day and love it.

[read the rest of the thread :)] Yes yes yes - a lot of people enthusiastically drink 3+ CocaColas a day too! Doesn’t make it a good use of technology nor dietary choice :)

A thread on the orange site is very definitely not representative.

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Post by Wazako »

scarface74 wrote: post #260
Wazako wrote: post #171

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Isn't Time Cook ultimately like Steve Ballmer? He has continued and consolidated to build a golden prison with the construction of a monopoly and increase the money generated incredibly.

A “monopoly” in what product category?

In the sense that it has become hostile to use. I remember when iTune and safari were user friendly on Windows. Or the iphone wouldn't be limited to a usb 2.0 port.

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Post by blitzar »

avalys wrote: post #242
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> One product often left out, which may have started with Jobs, but delivery should be attributed to Cook is the new Apple HQ. The initial impact has crumbled due to Covid WFH. > However, this campus may turn out to be a force multiplier going forward. If so, it is a victory, but not in the minds of consumers. Curious, have you ever actually talked to anyone that worked there? While I have admittedly only talked to a…

Apple Campus 2 is about a superblock away from Apple Campus 1, so unless we’re talking about someone whose 5-minute commute doubled to 10 minutes, no one’s commute doubled in any sense where the comparison is meaningful.

Being rich is incredibly hard.

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Post by michelb »

oblio wrote: post #378
neural_thing wrote: post #314

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I'm willing to spend $3,000 on a device that I would want to use every day. The reason I don't spend that much on existing VR tech is that I don't want to use it.

Most people don't have $3k of disposable income for a single non key purchase. How big even is this market, at $3k? 50 million people worldwide?

Why do you think this current iteration is a consumer product? Whatever Apple comes out with, it's for developers and Youtubers.

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Post by drumhead »

kmonsen wrote: post #124
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Absolutely. Between Apple Silicon, Apple Watch, AirPods, and scaling operations to be able to sell the amount of products they do in a year, that is hard to argue against being an overwhelming success for Tim Cook as CEO. Is it equal to the legacy of Apple under Jobs? Definitely not. But how many other companies/people released 3 revolutionary products?

I think even if Apple went bankrupt in 5 years, what Tim Cook has achieved is extremely good. It was not sure at all that Apple would grow this much over 12 years. It is not clear Steve Jobs himself could have had this success.

No iPhone no success. Cook is a good operations man and he's helped to maintain the success, but he did it by relying totally on China. Not a good long term move at all. He hasn't come up with a revolutionary new product, just improvements on the current iPhone.

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Post by Kaibeezy »

parksoha wrote: post #225
zamnos wrote: post #175

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And that, dear reader, is how we ended up with hundreds of bland copy-cat Android phones to the iPhone. There's something to be said, mentally, for working somewhere that's inspiring. A shitty office in yet a clone of all the other office parks, buried in office-park-landia of San Jose, is not it. Even a stroll through the secret underground parking lot at Apple is inspiring with all the exotic cars that are owned by…

I feel like engineers and all the math-y sciences, especially male, tend to dismiss very easily aesthetics over functionality. I was once like that. Until I get over my anxiety and started to hang out more with girls. Especially from the arts and languages side. The way they choose their environments… where they go to eat out or have a coffee, the clothing they wear, buying flowers, how they setup their home… Even wh…

A degree in architecture would give you that.

The combination of design work, history of buildings/art/cities, and socialization with people hyperfocused on their surroundings gives you superpower awareness of great environments at every scale, from silverware to regional planning. It makes travel a joy, no matter where, Paris or Poughkeepsie, it’s all fascinating.

On the downside, there are impossible odds you’ll ever get to actually create any of what you imagine, and the horrors of miserable design, a world full of McMansions and cheap junk, will crap all over your visions of paradise.

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