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Both a sensible business move and the right thing to do. If they could magically roll up the entirety of WDW and relocate it elsewhere I suspect they would.
Where are they going to go, California? Unless they get huge tax breaks and some open land to expand on I doubt it.
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I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public univ…
Yes, I'm similar. I don't mind the red states because they are relatively low tax and they don't really do anything legislatively, which is fine by me. A lot of GOP governors seem to have gone off the deep end at the state level lately; I'm not really sure why. DeSantis, for the most part, was your typical classic GOP governor in his first term. Florida is usually a red/blue state that leans a little red. They really…
It's entirely cold political machinations. It's not ideology, it's not deeply-held beliefs, it's not a philosophy, it's not him (and others like him) doing what they think is best: it's strategy, aimed squarely at electoral success. They might get it wrong, maybe it'll backfire, but that's what it is. Stances on issues are merely more kayfabe crap to the ones who are all-in on the whole thing just being a game to play & win. Their "concerns" are often transparently and publicly manufactured—seriously, it's nuts how in-the-open a lot of this is—to drive their voters to the polls.
He changed, because some advisors, consultants, and probably donors whom he trusts & relies on, told him to.
Too bad all this hurts a bunch of people in the process.
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Yep, there's no way to keep the water out: https://sealevelrise.org/states/florida/
So build floating cities? I think Tokyo or Osaka had that idea, they might actually make it a reality.
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I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public univ…
Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're…
Say what you will (should this even be on HN?), but Disney is giving is a masterclass in professional revenge. The massive plan to expand the Anaheim park drops on the same day. https://www.foxla.com/news/disneyland-forward-disney-anaheim...
"Possible". Culture wars are always fascinating in the tradeoffs people are willing to make in their rational. Californians will scream "More Housing! Get rid of Golf Courses and build houses!" But a massive theme park expansion in the middle of a developed area? All good if it hurts someone you hate.
I think very few Californians are against converting surface parking into workplaces.
I'm also unclear how this is 'culture war'? Could you expand on that?
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"Possible". Culture wars are always fascinating in the tradeoffs people are willing to make in their rational. Californians will scream "More Housing! Get rid of Golf Courses and build houses!" But a massive theme park expansion in the middle of a developed area? All good if it hurts someone you hate.
Disney's a big corporation but they don't have the power of eminent domain. If (if!) they ever attempt to grow the Anaheim property beyond their current holdings they will pay an absolute king's ransom for each and every square foot. Besides, reading the actual plans it's pretty clear that Disneyland Forward is more about repurposing and optimizing their current space rather than a "massive expansion" as you call it.…
In practice, this would about double the size of the current park (The detailed drawing represent the new areas, which are currently parking lots)
I guess we disagree on whether 2x is “massive”?
Both a sensible business move and the right thing to do. If they could magically roll up the entirety of WDW and relocate it elsewhere I suspect they would.
There are already plans for Texas. Same with Universal.
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I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public univ…
Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're…
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Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're…
I would be interested to know what state and procedures would be banned where you live...
Some of that stuff was already troublesome to access because providers were wary of running into existing abortion regulations (Roe, especially after modification by Casey, did not absolutely guarantee abortion rights through all of pregnancy—not even close) and a lot of hospitals have religious affiliations and are allowed to limit care based on the beliefs of those religions (despite potentially being the only option in a large area because of guarantees & licenses from the government, which, you know, makes it entirely insane that they're allowed to do that). We ran into some of that, it really sucked, and it'd be a ton worse now, and (I'm pretty sure) we're not even in the worst state as far as that goes.
[EDIT] But, notably, despite not having things as bad as a couple other states, the state's solidly "red", so at risk of shifting to an even more restrictive stance at any time now that we don't even have the very-limited protections of Roe.
A corporation knows a lot better than that. Decisions are driven by profits, and profits alone, and neither Disney nor DeSantis would keep going too long in this game of chicken. Disney needs Florida and Florida badly wants Disney.
Florida is still a huge supporter of Disney's business despite the politics. Disney is simply following what every other major company is doing right now: cutting back expansion plans, reducing major expenses (such as building a campus and moving thousands of people there) as their stock is really nothing to write home about right now. AND using this as a convenient excuse for what they are doing due to economic, not political reasons.
If Disney could recoup the relocation investment in the next quarter, it would absolutely do it irrespective of the recent fighting.