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Amsterdam has been below sea level since the 17th century. Not sure why more modern cities would not be able to adapt as well.
As I understand it, Florida’s ground is porous and it’s not possible to keep water from going under any barriers you create.
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Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns, talking about periods, and acknowledging the existence of homosexuality are all "preying on kids"? Like if I were a gay teacher with a husband and said something about my husband, I'm preying on kids? Or if a school nurse tells a little girl not to be freaked out when she gets her period, that's preying on kids?
A lot of conservatives do sincerely believe that. They're wrong, of course, but this is an actual belief that a lot of right-wing people (including right-wing medical professionals) both in the US and in Europe share.
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Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns, talking about periods, and acknowledging the existence of homosexuality are all "preying on kids"? Like if I were a gay teacher with a husband and said something about my husband, I'm preying on kids? Or if a school nurse tells a little girl not to be freaked out when she gets her period, that's preying on kids?
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> Californians will scream "More Housing! Get rid of Golf Courses and build houses!" But a massive theme park expansion in the middle of a developed area? All good if it hurts someone you hate. Weird that people like theme parks, yeah.
And people don't like golf courses?
Say what you will (should this even be on HN?), but Disney is giving is a masterclass in professional revenge. The massive plan to expand the Anaheim park drops on the same day. https://www.foxla.com/news/disneyland-forward-disney-anaheim...
"Possible". Culture wars are always fascinating in the tradeoffs people are willing to make in their rational. Californians will scream "More Housing! Get rid of Golf Courses and build houses!" But a massive theme park expansion in the middle of a developed area? All good if it hurts someone you hate.
Besides, reading the actual plans it's pretty clear that Disneyland Forward is more about repurposing and optimizing their current space rather than a "massive expansion" as you call it. Really feels like you're just making up a situation in order to "both sides" the issue.
To the people I see commenting that the state of Florida will be a loser in the long run, between April 2020 and July 2022, Florida's population grew by 3.3% [1]. Compare that to states such as California (-1.3% [2]) and New York (-2.6% [3]) for the same period. Seems like more people like what DeSantis and Florida have been doing overall. [1] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/FL/PST045222 [2] https://www.…
>between April 2020 and July 2022
It takes a long time to destroy a city or a state. It won't necessarily be the entirety of Florida but Orlando's economy is pretty Disney centric and might take a pretty big hit if Disney divests over the next 20 years. Will it be Detroit levels? Who knows.
Also, there are term limits, so DeStantis is out in 2026 either way. Disney just has to wait it out a couple more years.
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Someone pointed out that lack of growth is treated as decline in our culture/economy. So the threat of climate change in Florida is that real estate prices will stop growing - that breaks a fundamental assumption - line goes up - and that drives a race to the exit. So far this has only happened in some localities, so we'll see. If my house is underwater fiscally, it may as well be underwater with the fishes.
I'll gladly buy your Miami property for a discount. My thesis is it's not going anywhere in the next 100 years and that the prices will only continue to rise.
To the people I see commenting that the state of Florida will be a loser in the long run, between April 2020 and July 2022, Florida's population grew by 3.3% [1]. Compare that to states such as California (-1.3% [2]) and New York (-2.6% [3]) for the same period. Seems like more people like what DeSantis and Florida have been doing overall. [1] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/FL/PST045222 [2] https://www.…
DeStantis' statements made it obvious this is political retaliation for speaking out against his legislation. I don't particularly care for either party, but Florida taxpayers are going to end up paying the bill both in settlement money and in lost jobs due to the government open hostility / retribution towards their first amendment rights. https://reason.com/2023/05/16/ron-desantis-confirms-again-th...
I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public univ…
Now? We're moving to a blue state, and don't consider it optional. Republicans got weirder after Palin, but have gone batshit crazy post-Trump. They're coming for schools & teachers. They're coming for libraries. My daughters might not be able to get medical care they need, as they get older (and no, not just abortions—my wife's gone through miscarriages and other issues that she'd have had to go out-of-state to treat under current laws, and has never had an abortion). God-for-fucking-bid any of my kids end up being LGBT and have to see their state governor working hard to make their lives worse.
It's gone from a tolerable, if not ideal, situation I'd intended to stick out indefinitely and had been living with relatively contentedly for decades, to plainly intolerable, in a hurry. Way too much risk in sticking around.
[EDIT] I don't mean that as criticism of your probably sticking around, to be clear. If our situation were different, we might too (or might not really have a choice).
The veiled threat of, "We have plans to invest $17 billion and create 13,000 jobs [in Florida] over the next ten years. I hope we’re able to do so." is interesting. Disney is making it clear that this is potentially only the beginning.
I wouldn’t call it veiled, or even much of a threat for that matter. It’s a rational actor plainly stating facts that are readily apparent to everyone. There’s no good reason why the corporation should make any future significant investments in a state where the legal and regulatory regime is not only unpredictable but currently openly hostile. They’ve got a pretty, pretty big sunk cost in the state, so it’s not like…
Disney have a broader problem - they are not the only player in central Florida. Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World is the most attended theme park in the world… but Universal just down the road hold the number 2 and 3 slots.
Yes, WDW is the most attended group of parks on the planet, but Universal are on an epic roll and have a 3rd Florida gate under construction.
It’s not just that Disney can’t pack up WDW and move it to a state friendlier to them. They can’t pack up the critical mass of demand drawn to central Florida either - replicating that elsewhere would take decades.
I don’t think that the Florida legislature are that worried about whether Disney will create however many thousand jobs. They know full well the central Florida tourism market is a juggernaut that’s not slowing down anytime soon and that Disney will maximise their presence in this market regardless of the political climate.
Keeping some corporate and creative jobs in California instead of relocating them to Florida is fairly small fry in that context.