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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by zajio1am »

ceejayoz wrote: post #178
zamalek wrote: post #175

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Which would be great. Now we're rapidly travelling down the hundreds of thousands of dollars lawsuit path. Anything the cops do, apart from siding with the land owner (never mind buyer), would have an extremely high chance of being a constitutional violation.

lol The courts will decide there's "no clearly established law". https://www.theusconstitution.org/litigation/micah-jessop-br... > After local police officers searched the homes and business of Micah Jessop and Brittan Ashjian, more than $100,000 in cash and $125,000 in rare coins went missing. Jessop and Ashjian sued the officers and the City of Fresno under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, a statute that authorizes damages action…

Just sue the police department and not individual cops.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #174
joecool1029 wrote: post #157

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Not remotely the same thing, that was cops executing a search warrant signed by a judge. https://www.businessinsider.com/a-san-mateo-court-has-withdr...

You think WOTC couldn’t have found a friendly judge if the guy didn’t comply with their thugs? The judiciary in the US is just as corrupt as the police.

> think WOTC couldn’t have found a friendly judge if the guy didn’t comply with their thugs

To randomly authorize a private search? No.

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Post by bugglebeetle »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182
bugglebeetle wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think WOTC couldn’t have found a friendly judge if the guy didn’t comply with their thugs? The judiciary in the US is just as corrupt as the police.

> think WOTC couldn’t have found a friendly judge if the guy didn’t comply with their thugs To randomly authorize a private search? No.

Oh please, they’re not going to present it like that but use the same spiel the Pinkertons used on this YouTuber about being part of a criminal conspiracy etc. Judges in the US issue spurious warrants all the time, not the least at the behest of corporations. The iPhone prototype was no less ridiculous.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

kbelder wrote: post #166
wahnfrieden wrote: post #156

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Your advice is to add cops to the Pinkertons?

Yes, it's good advice. They would escort the Pinkertons off your property if you asked.

I would simply not let the Pinkertons in.

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Post by ozfive »

torstenvl wrote: post #33
bugglebeetle wrote: post #29

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American law enforcement would overwhelmingly "side" with the buyer here, by virtue solely of siding with the status quo. The moment they said "contract," Deputy Notmyjob will hold up a hand and say, "Sounds like a civil matter. Mr. Smith has advised you not to trespass on his property. Small claims office is at 1234 Fuckoff Street downtown. We'll be leaving now, and you will too, unless you'd like to take a trip to…

Yeah, people often forget that possession is 9/10ths of the law.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #183
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> think WOTC couldn’t have found a friendly judge if the guy didn’t comply with their thugs To randomly authorize a private search? No.

Oh please, they’re not going to present it like that but use the same spiel the Pinkertons used on this YouTuber about being part of a criminal conspiracy etc. Judges in the US issue spurious warrants all the time, not the least at the behest of corporations. The iPhone prototype was no less ridiculous.

We’ll put aside the material differences between the iPhone/Gawker case, for instance, the reporter having knowingly purchased an object the seller found on a bar stool. What forcing due process also does is create a paper trail. That’s how Gawker got the warrant rescinded. It’s also notable that these miscarriages are newsworthy. I understand the comfort of conspiracies, but in this case, the lie of a corrupt judiciary does more of a corrupt cop’s work than the system’s failings themselves.

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Post by protocolture »

shepardrtc wrote: post #39

Whoever at WotC decided to send them should be fired. It's just a trading card game. Contact the guy through normal means and ask him to return them.

Theres 2 ex pinkertons in upper management I doubt that will fly.

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Post by throwaway743 »

prepend wrote: post #88
nickthegreek wrote: post #65

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>It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that. I don't think thats true. They walked back their license BS over fan outrage.

That was d&d, I’m talking about magic stuff. Just off the top of my head, they just seem generally incompetent and people keep buying. Here’s some stuff I remember: -underprinting (legends) and overprinting (fallen empires) -saying they wouldn’t reprint things (reserved list) then reprinting some, and monkeying around with it for 5 years -original magic online in early 00s was completely poorly built at the time of l…

To add, regarding Arena at least, it seems like all they give a shit about now is releasing new and older cards meant for commander/brawl.

Sure those formats are fun, but they should still focus on the core format and at the very least release some older sets in their entirety rather than just for the sake of commander/brawl play.

Also

Idk maybe im just getting old and grumpy, but I still love the original format.

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Post by fwlr »

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #22

Wizards of the Coast seems to be on a rampage to do as much damage to their brand as possible. Weren't they pretty beloved by fans before some of these more recent actions? It's like they've turned into the Comcast of table top games. What do they really have beyond their brand? People can play other games.

Hasbro (who are actually the Comcast of table top games) bought WotC in 1999, initially operating it as a legal subsidiary. I only followed MtG from 2001 to 2005; at that time it seemed pretty clear to me that Hasbro was taking a fairly hands-off approach. I don’t know what has happened in the interim but recent news indicated WotC was something like 70% of Hasbro’s entire revenue, so I imagine what happened was, as WotC grew and Hasbro shrank, Hasbro started exercising more of the power of WotC that they have long held but rarely used - basically, becoming more hands-on as the profits grew (unsurprisingly).

There seems to have been several reshuffles of just how legally independent WotC is from Hasbro over the years, although I’m not sure those legal reshuffles are indicative of how much actual power Hasbro was exercising.

My general impression is that WotC had found a point on the Pareto curve of “greedy” vs “respectful” where they were quite greedy but also quite respectful, and Hasbro’s more recent influence has pushed them into “very greedy”, not realizing the Pareto curve was extremely steep and so this caused a corresponding move all the way from “quite respectful” to “very disrespectful”.

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