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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by Verdex »

duxup wrote: post #129
nickthegreek wrote: post #60

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Ideally with fists full of cash.

I wonder if they just offered this guy a few grand how it would have gone? Maybe really well?

Yeah, this is sort of a case of tearing defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Show up with some money, a bunch of magic swag + cards, and offer to create a card making them some sort of in game knight or king or something. Photograph everything and have them sign a non-disparage and suddenly you've got some PR that's worth it's weight in gold. And the next time a little card mishap goes down you'll get people volunteering to give them back in hopes of a tenth of what you gave out the first time.

Or you could just do nothing because almost definitely nobody actually cares or will notice.

Jumping to sending private security to someone else's private residence feels like an absolute last resort to a much more serious issue.

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Post by Freedom2 »

Reubachi wrote: post #59

This really doesn't belong on HN. Old story, editorialized, and ultimatley a non-story with no impact beyond WOTC looking foolish, which is not newsworthy.

What's more important than all those factors is if it generates "curious" discussion. Reading through the comments, I indeed say it does!

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Post by hinkley »

mikestew wrote: post #155
hinkley wrote: post #146

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I don’t know if the Pinkertons directly, but their competitors have caused a lot of problems during our eternal war in the Middle East. That’s a problem of using a private police force like an army, and while the US government and military paid the bills and made requests, the triggermen bear their share of the blame. You’re trying to make an extraordinary claims play to deflect this part of the conversation and I’m…

I don’t know if the Pinkertons directly... Then you probably should not have responded to a question specifically asking for an example of Pinkerton kicking down doors. As you've clearly stated that you can't answer the question, but rather prefer to go off on some vaguely related tangent, then I will go on about my day.

Dude, your whole energy is trying to shut down conversation and I already told you that’s not going to work.

I only knew the Pinkertons still existed reading about problems in the second gulf war, in which they were listed amongst the problem children. I thought that name was retired a century ago, turns out not. What I don’t know is any role they played in Afghanistan. Bracketing your base of knowledge is not weakness, it’s disclosure.

Also they all hire the same kind of people. Just because BP had the Deep Water fiasco doesn’t mean we forget about Exxon Valdez. There are no “good ones” just short memories and willful lack of imagination.

This is not high school debate class. Act like a grownup.

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Post by danjoredd »

nickthegreek wrote: post #64
permo-w wrote: post #47

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the DnD movie was very good. maybe they’re getting overconfident

Apparently not good enough for a sequel though. Kinda sad how good something has to do to be considered successful these days.

They said before the movie released that it was not their intention to make a franchise out of the movie. They were open to making a franchise, but the movie was designed to stand alone. In the age of cinematic universes making a D&D cinematic universe makes a lot of sense, but thats not what the authors wanted.

“It was never our intention when we came on board this film to make a franchise . . . I think that would cloud our ability to focus entirely on the film at hand. The cardinal mistake many studios make is to put the cart before the horse, where they start crafting a cinematic universe before they even make a good single film. So first and foremost for us was getting this right.”

https://www.polygon.com/23665427/dungeons-and-dragons-honor-...

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by wongarsu »

jdm2212 wrote: post #145
wongarsu wrote: post #143

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> raid: noun > 1a: a hostile or predatory incursion > 1b: a surprise attack by a small force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/raid alternatively wiktionary: > raid (plural raids) > (military) A quick hostile or predatory incursion or invasion in a battle. > An attack or invasion for the purpose of making arrests, seizing property, or plundering. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/raid Raid seems like the perfec…

How is knocking on someone's door an "incursion" or a "surprise attack"?

"sending heavy duty lawmen" that "made his wife cry first thing in the morning" talking about "stolen products and jailtime" who then "took everything, even the empty boxes and bags" seems like a surprise attack to me.

That the attack depended on surprise and intimidation doesn't invalidate the use of attack or raid imho, that's the preferred outcome of any police raid too (and websters definition of attack is "to set upon or work against forcefully", no mention of physical violence).

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Post by kbelder »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #156
danesparza wrote: post #139

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Please please PLEASE call 911 the next time this happens. This is an extra-judicial shakedown. There are consequences for idiots who pretend to be police like this. They would be the ones going to jail if this person had called 911.

Your advice is to add cops to the Pinkertons?

Yes, it's good advice. They would escort the Pinkertons off your property if you asked.

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Post by nickthegreek »

prepend wrote: post #88
nickthegreek wrote: post #65

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>It’s an interesting hobby where fans have played no matter what the company does and the company knows that. I don't think thats true. They walked back their license BS over fan outrage.

That was d&d, I’m talking about magic stuff. Just off the top of my head, they just seem generally incompetent and people keep buying. Here’s some stuff I remember: -underprinting (legends) and overprinting (fallen empires) -saying they wouldn’t reprint things (reserved list) then reprinting some, and monkeying around with it for 5 years -original magic online in early 00s was completely poorly built at the time of l…

So true, mtg players are kinda locked in and get roughed up way more than the d&D players by corporate bullshit. I normally only view WoTC through the d&d lens as thats where my hobby lies.

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Post by jjoonathan »

gabereiser wrote: post #110
jjoonathan wrote: post #78

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"By design?" Let's dig into that. Their CV, or non-LEO uniform, or physical size does not give them license to walk into peoples' houses or to threaten to do so. Everyone knows that. Which means they probably made a threat, and if that threat in any way suggested that they represented law enforcement, it should absolutely be illegal and they should be locked up for impersonation.

I’m not saying it does, but agencies have typically hired a certain type of physique and mentality that comes from military service.

If they used their physique and mentality to suggest that that they were affiliated with law enforcement, that's a problem. If they used their physique and mentality to threaten extrajudicial violence, that's a problem. If they were crystal clear that they didn't represent law enforcement and that they weren't threatening extrajudicial violence, cool.

Society has an interest in ensuring that goons can't bluff their way into LEO privileges, so if that's what they did, we have a problem.

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Post by oliwarner »

midjji wrote: post #77
PointA2B wrote: post #23

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He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got r…

> then claimed that they were violent

If you're assaulted at somebody's house but you overpower them, you don't get to loot them. This isn't D&D.

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Post by jdm2212 »

wongarsu wrote: post #165
jdm2212 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is knocking on someone's door an "incursion" or a "surprise attack"?

"sending heavy duty lawmen" that "made his wife cry first thing in the morning" talking about "stolen products and jailtime" who then "took everything, even the empty boxes and bags" seems like a surprise attack to me. That the attack depended on surprise and intimidation doesn't invalidate the use of attack or raid imho, that's the preferred outcome of any police raid too (and websters definition of attack is "to se…

A police raid involves the express threat of violence if you don't comply -- that's what the guns and battering rams are for.

A PI who's even vaguely trying to obey the law DEFINITELY does not expressly threaten you with violence, and won't allow any more than the barest implication either.

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