So many problems are avoided by just never answering the door (and figuring out some way to receive packages). If it's a uniformed police officer, "COME BACK WITH A WARRANT" or "CONTACT MY ATTORNEY AT X".
Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and the Pinkertons acted on their own Play Pinkerton games, win Pinkerton prizes. Or, less flippantly: everyone knows who the Pinkertons are and what they do. And the fact that everyone knows is, quite literally, the actual service that they offer. They will do such things without you have to explicitly tell them.
I have literally never heard of this group. "Pinkerton" is the name of a Weezer album as far as I'm concerned.
https://xkcd.com/1053/
Aside from the xkcd, this 'everybody knows' effect can be domain specific. The people who hired the pinkertons, and any party interested in stealing corporate secrets, know who they are.
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#123Wow, so much for treating your biggest fans with any respect. Not like he stole them, it would have been interesting had he stood his ground to see what they did. Shame he didn't have video of the encounter like Afroman did when raided.
If I were a fan, this would have sobered me out of it immediately.
Now I wonder what happened to the guy selling Zelda Tears of the Kingdom two weeks early that "fell off the back of the truck". Nintendo probably read this and put these thugs on retainer for the next major release, if they don't already.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got r…
>> but they could have broken it down In the US, that would be an exceedingly bad idea on the part of the Pinkertons. They don't have the same protections law enforcement has: they are treated legally the same as anybody else, which means that in 38 US states they'd be justifying the homeowners use of deadly force.
I’m shocked the Pinkertons still exist. None of the bigger unions tried to pull strings to get them destroyed for past atrocities against the labor movement?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps, but they could have broken it down, assaulted them, then claimed that they were violent. They get away with that kind of crap all the time, because mostly, they do this to criminals, and are friends with the local police. Sometimes they get caught, usually for things like shooting a dog that was chained and far out of reach, or because someone had it on video, but these thugs are the kind of people who got r…
They get away with that kind of crap all the time That's a big claim, can you cite an example or two of Pinkerton kicking down doors an assaulting the residents?
If you want to go back to the Labor movement, the Pinkertons practically committed war crimes. When people say the police evolved from a misanthropic idea of keeping the peace, they are specifically thinking of the Pinkertons as an example. Hired thugs meant to keep those in power in power, not to protect the citizenry.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re downvoted but police have prolific recorded history of this vs the reverse. It’s not ideology it’s material reality
I love HN but the demographics of the users makes them more likely to assume the cops will do the correct action, when that does not always play out.
This scenario already happened with Jason Chen/Gizmodo and the iPhone 4G prototype that was left at a bar, and what happened is the cops raided his house and seized his stuff. You would think HN folks would at least remember that…
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#127Wizards of the Coast seems to be on a rampage to do as much damage to their brand as possible. Weren't they pretty beloved by fans before some of these more recent actions? It's like they've turned into the Comcast of table top games. What do they really have beyond their brand? People can play other games.
> What do they really have beyond their brand? People can play other games. Certainly Dungeons and Dragons has tons of competition from other systems and I won't be playing it anymore, but it does have the network effect and weekly hosted games and name recognition. MTG, I think, doesn't have serious competition. It is a unique juggernaut. Playing a 5e D&D game today has no relation to old 2e adventures, but many for…
Right, assuming players have access to the oracle text (the canonical post errata text for the card), and a copy of the comprehensive magic rules, it should be possible to deterministically determine the result of any interaction (modulo any specified randomness or opportunities for human choice).
The comprehensive rules are intended to be fully comprehensive, with only simply logic needed to connect the parts. If this has failed anywhere leaving something without a clear resolution this would be considered a defect in the comprehensive rules or the card's canonical text.
Such defects are not especially common, as they tend to get noticed before new cards or mechanics are released. This is especially true since WOTC ends up programming these mechanics into software not once but at least twice. (First for MTGO, and then again for MTG Arena's backend, and sometimes needing to program it again for the Arena's front end code.)
The need to program it into the software gives makes it much more likely than any remaining ambiguity in the Card's Oracle text or the comprehensive rules gets noticed and addressed.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever. Coming into someones house to make threats is very stupid idea. One day I came into my kitchen, there is my wife crying, and three big threating guys I do not know. I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?
> I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen? You better hope they are not actually aggressive? How are you getting out of this scenario other than being submissive or hoping they are "nice". There are so many Clint Eastwoods in this thread.
Do you expect some tactical masterplan? I have no idea what I would do. I would have like 1 second to decide.
That is why it is very stupid idea, to threaten people at their property!
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Showing up with private heat is the best way ensure I'll think twice about being helpful. This. If you want me to be cooperative, set the tone by being cooperative yourself.
Ideally with fists full of cash.
I wonder if they just offered this guy a few grand how it would have gone?
Maybe really well?
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?
I guess it depends what you mean by "impersonate." Are you asking whether they literally claimed to be a police officer? If so, they almost certainly did not. But they probably showed up with a uniform and a brass badge with words like "sergeant" and "national" and "service" on it next to maybe an eagle and a flag, and they probably talked about how the homeowner was in trouble with the law.
Detectives wear plainclothes.
These types flash a badge, mumble the words "detective" and "agency" in the same sentence, then immediately pivot to babbling about fines and jailtime before you have a chance to question their authority. It's a high-pressure sales tactic masquerading as law enforcement, without crossing the line of impersonation.
To those ends, they back down quickly when you poke back with childish questions like "wait, so you're not the police?" (If they say yes, they're in trouble.)