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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by psychlops »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #30
PointA2B wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

It can, but it's probably a good reminder that people should know their rights. Those who don't will follow along.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jjoonathan wrote: post #36
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.

Is there any indication or evidence anyone impersonated law enforcement?

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by standardUser »

rjbwork wrote: post #26

Lucky they didn't get shot. A private entity has no right to raid your house. That is some extremely ballsy behavior for a non-state actor in the US.

Did they threaten violence? Do you consider if reasonable or likely that a private citizen would shoot an unarmed, nonviolent person at their door?

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Post by [deleted] »

standardUser wrote: post #43
rjbwork wrote: post #26

Lucky they didn't get shot. A private entity has no right to raid your house. That is some extremely ballsy behavior for a non-state actor in the US.

Did they threaten violence? Do you consider if reasonable or likely that a private citizen would shoot an unarmed, nonviolent person at their door?

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by gabereiser »

jjoonathan wrote: post #36
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement. I thought it was already, but here we are.

It is but we also have PI’s. Usually ex-cops or ex-military members with an intelligence angle. These are intimidating people by design. If you had a squad of paramilitary at your door, and you were the typical magic player, you’d give them the keys if they asked.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by the_only_law »

standardUser wrote: post #43
rjbwork wrote: post #26

Lucky they didn't get shot. A private entity has no right to raid your house. That is some extremely ballsy behavior for a non-state actor in the US.

Did they threaten violence? Do you consider if reasonable or likely that a private citizen would shoot an unarmed, nonviolent person at their door?

Perhaps maybe not likely, but there were some big stories about this happening recently, so I wouldn’t be shocked.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by permo-w »

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #22

Wizards of the Coast seems to be on a rampage to do as much damage to their brand as possible. Weren't they pretty beloved by fans before some of these more recent actions? It's like they've turned into the Comcast of table top games. What do they really have beyond their brand? People can play other games.

the DnD movie was very good. maybe they’re getting overconfident

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Post by torstenvl »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #40
torstenvl wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American law enforcement would overwhelmingly "side" with the buyer here, by virtue solely of siding with the status quo. The moment they said "contract," Deputy Notmyjob will hold up a hand and say, "Sounds like a civil matter. Mr. Smith has advised you not to trespass on his property. Small claims office is at 1234 Fuckoff Street downtown. We'll be leaving now, and you will too, unless you'd like to take a trip to…

It depends. If Dealer's lawyers decided they wanted to go after some transgression which may or may not have occurred, that can cause a lot of difficulty for Buyer. Individual officers are pretty likely to point them to small claims but not if a prosecutor is in the picture.

I've served as a prosecutor both in a state jurisdiction and within the military justice system. I am immensely skeptical that any competent lawyer would want to spend resources on pursuing charges based on a third party's NDA.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by t-writescode »

last_responder wrote: post #31
nullc wrote: post #11

I get that the youtuber just wanted no trouble, but he may have really screwed himself by not insisting on a waver of liability, agreement that the existing videos can stay up (or, alternatively, compensation to replace the lost income from them), and compensation for his costs at a minimum. Handing WOTC's paid thugs the material probably didn't do anything to reduce his risk and took away the little leverage he had…

>that his possession was unlawful. There is no law being broken so it does not matter what he said or did.

While that may or may not be true, it's very easy to say things like that and much much harder to deal with the situation in a "rights above safety, to eternal ends" and "perfect world" perspective when in the situation as a flesh-and-blood version of ones self.
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