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Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by last_responder »

nullc wrote: post #11

I get that the youtuber just wanted no trouble, but he may have really screwed himself by not insisting on a waver of liability, agreement that the existing videos can stay up (or, alternatively, compensation to replace the lost income from them), and compensation for his costs at a minimum. Handing WOTC's paid thugs the material probably didn't do anything to reduce his risk and took away the little leverage he had…

>that his possession was unlawful.

There is no law being broken so it does not matter what he said or did.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by Throw73849 »

last_responder wrote: post #28
rjbwork wrote: post #26

Lucky they didn't get shot. A private entity has no right to raid your house. That is some extremely ballsy behavior for a non-state actor in the US.

There was no raid

You ask them to leave, they do not... Unless the "security" recorded and streamed everything into cloud, very difficult to prove.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by torstenvl »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #29
ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

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American law enforcement would overwhelmingly "side" with the buyer here, by virtue solely of siding with the status quo.

The moment they said "contract," Deputy Notmyjob will hold up a hand and say, "Sounds like a civil matter. Mr. Smith has advised you not to trespass on his property. Small claims office is at 1234 Fuckoff Street downtown. We'll be leaving now, and you will too, unless you'd like to take a trip to the station with us for booking."

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by dgb23 »

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #22

Wizards of the Coast seems to be on a rampage to do as much damage to their brand as possible. Weren't they pretty beloved by fans before some of these more recent actions? It's like they've turned into the Comcast of table top games. What do they really have beyond their brand? People can play other games.

It's a shit show and plenty of people are not OK with it, including prominent content creators (for both DnD and MTG) that have a huge draw.

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by wahnfrieden »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #29
ldoughty wrote: post #10

Sounds like the buyer should have ASKED for the sheriff.... Private police threatening fines and jail time? Let them say that with law enforcement around for any follow up lawsuit. A purchase was made and the wrong product arrived at his door.. the seller had legitimate reason to have the product, but broke a street date... The customer did not ask for unreleased product... Sounds like the dealer is at fault, but not…

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You’re downvoted but police have prolific recorded history of this vs the reverse. It’s not ideology it’s material reality

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by jjoonathan »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #30
PointA2B wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could've closed the door in their faces and there would be nothing they could do about it. The company relied on theatrics and false threats to get back a legitimately purchased product.

Could've, but theatrics are used because it's effective. A surprise morning visit by professional intimidators arguing that you "do what we say or you might spend the next decade in jail" can override a lot of logical reasoning.

That's why it needs to be a crime to impersonate law enforcement.

I thought it was already, but here we are.

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Post by morelisp »

digdugdirk wrote: post #3

Huh. I didn't realize the Pinkerton's were still a thing. Its interesting to see an example of how they operate nowadays when they aren't able to roll in armed and ready like the good ol' days. That being said, I suppose them threatening to call in the police does that for them.

Not only are they still around, they're not happy that everyone knows they're the baddies.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/02/pinkerton-red-dead-...

Re: Wizards of the Coast Raids YouTuber’s House to Take Back Magic Cards

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

torstenvl wrote: post #33
bugglebeetle wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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American law enforcement would overwhelmingly "side" with the buyer here, by virtue solely of siding with the status quo. The moment they said "contract," Deputy Notmyjob will hold up a hand and say, "Sounds like a civil matter. Mr. Smith has advised you not to trespass on his property. Small claims office is at 1234 Fuckoff Street downtown. We'll be leaving now, and you will too, unless you'd like to take a trip to…

It depends. If Dealer's lawyers decided they wanted to go after some transgression which may or may not have occurred, that can cause a lot of difficulty for Buyer. Individual officers are pretty likely to point them to small claims but not if a prosecutor is in the picture.
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