Work visa programs shouldn't exist. They undercut supply and demand. i.e. If there is a demand but a low supply, then the price should go up. Here there is a demand for workers and, according to Big Tech, an "insufficient supply" so they should be raising wages to compete for the available talent. Importing "talent" artificially increases supply and thus suppresses wages.
Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Inhumane would be beating the employees. 10 years at Google will open more doors than the applicant could ever go through
After living and working in a place for 10 years you no longer have "a place to go back," the new place is your home, regardless of whether USCIS and US immigration laws categorize you as a "non-resident alien." Uprooting people's lives, including that of US nationals (10 years is long enough to meet someone and have kids, even people that do not have a US citizenship or permanent residence either) is not humane. Vis…
I worked that long in another country, as an American, and had kids there. Then I was laid off. The government didn’t care, my employer didn’t care, I had to leave and uproot everything. This is how it works in most of the world. Only in America do we think an immigrant “deserves” a job while letting native born citizens go hungry.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t necessarily believe this position but not a single one of your points argues against the theory that H1b visas are bad for green card/citizen holders during times of layoffs. It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders…
> It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders. This is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were bor…
To avoid gaming the system, make the company pay the current MAXIMUM salary for the same position or greater to the worker AND double the normal taxes AND have the government's IRS and Labor related departments review the description and actual duties of the job on a quarterly basis.
That is, hiring someone from outside the country SHOULD cost more so it isn't gamed.
Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
#194There are multiple missing things for this: 1. Layoffs happened regardless of visa status, so visa workers were part of the layoffs. 2. The visa applications for H1B could be for workers already working in the company under a different visa like TN or F1 3. The positions affected by layoffs and positions filing for H1B could be different. For example, a front end position may be affected by layoffs, but the visa appl…
Maybe it's been too long and things have changed, but that's not how H1B visas work. I have a smallish S-corp and brought in some a long time ago.
We filed, got the paperwork submitted, it got approved, they eventually came to work for me stateside. This took 14 months from filing to arrival. No one filing for a visa in February is having someone come over in March. No company is firing someone and filling that spot with an H1B the next day, unless that H1B is a contractor, and another company he already works for holds his visa.
So the major missing thing here is (unless the process radically changed), is the article is blatantly lying.
Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
After living and working in a place for 10 years you no longer have "a place to go back," the new place is your home, regardless of whether USCIS and US immigration laws categorize you as a "non-resident alien." Uprooting people's lives, including that of US nationals (10 years is long enough to meet someone and have kids, even people that do not have a US citizenship or permanent residence either) is not humane. Vis…
Small nit, anybody who stayed in the US for 10 years is very unlikely to be a nonresident alien (which is mainly an IRS tax classification and doesn’t have much to do with having an immigrant visa) source: current resident alien
Indeed I suspect they were looking for nonimmigrant.
Resident alien is synonymous with lawful permanent resident or green card holder, however nonresident alien is a tax term.
Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
#196Hiring H1Bs post layoffs adds distraction to the real problem at hand. Google's 10k layoff was simply not justified by management's soulless explanation. The company is a technical and financial juggernaut. It is still hiring. The only problem they faced is they wanted to pivot their headcount investment on a grand scale and did not want to deal with the typical horse trading reorgs take. Tldr Google's layoffs was ju…
Layoffs and removing staplers are management’s way of saying good times are over. They want to stop rest and vest culture. It has nothing to do with actual value of those employees or the financial necessity
Management is captured by rest and vest itself.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> An Australian contractor suing an American company in an Australian court, followed up by an Australian labor authority taking action against them for say not paying proper sick leave entitlements Does "contractor" mean something different to you than it does to everyone else? This would be like me buying an iPhone and then Apple suing me for not paying proper sick leave entitlements.
It means something different in every location, and I’m just using Australia as a random example. The fact is that channeling your payroll through an offshore company doesn’t allow you to skirt local labor laws. It would be more like you selling me a faulty iPhone, then after realising that my country had consumer protection laws, you were forced to fix it.
You're talking about one company suing a second company for not meeting the first company's legal obligations. This is gibberish.
Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
It means something different in every location, and I’m just using Australia as a random example. The fact is that channeling your payroll through an offshore company doesn’t allow you to skirt local labor laws. It would be more like you selling me a faulty iPhone, then after realising that my country had consumer protection laws, you were forced to fix it.
You're talking about one company suing a second company for not meeting the first company's legal obligations. This is gibberish.
The risk of “misclassification” where an independent contractor sues to be classified as an employee, or where some labor or tax authority takes legal action to have a contractor reclassified (with or without the consent of the contractor/employee) exists in basically every jurisdiction. The only thing that changes if you move your contractors overseas is the jurisdiction where that dispute will be heard, because it will happen in the jurisdiction where the contractor/employee is located. Even if you put aside the mischaracterisation risks, each jurisdiction is likely to have different worker safety, entitlements, tax… obligations, even for contractors. If any disputes arise relating to those, they’re also going to be heard in the jurisdiction of the contractor/employee.
I can understand where your misunderstanding comes from, thinking they’re all just businesses providing services to other businesses. But this interpretation is very naive, and the legal reality is massively more complicated than you’re making it sound. Governments really don’t like independent contractors, they’re subject to far more restrictions than ordinary businesses, and companies employing their services are usually exposed to risks that they don’t have when dealing with ordinary businesses.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left Provide an option for a company to submit some paperwork and pay some non-trivial fee (to avoid gaming) that allows them to exempt such an employee from the visa-first layoff requirement. Additionally, fast track the green card process for whom said exemption is granted.
> Additionally, fast track the green card process for whom said exemption is granted. This could easily be done by not having a per-country quota for green cards that seriously sanctions H1B holders from India and China. As in: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/migrate/democrats-i... Republicans probably won't let it happen, however.
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Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t necessarily believe this position but not a single one of your points argues against the theory that H1b visas are bad for green card/citizen holders during times of layoffs. It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders…
> It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders. Given these folks could be 10+ year long-term Indian residents of the US with approved I-140s waiting for their priority dates to come up, I'd say this would be incredibly inhuman…
These folks should invest their talents in India instead.
My mom was talking about how her siblings were selling their inherited property in Bangladesh (where land prices are skyrocketing) and buying property in the US, Canada, and Australia. And I’m like—you realize this is helping to keep Bangladesh is poor, right? All that capital flowing out to developed countries. (Not to mention the brain drain.) Meanwhile they’re voting to turn America into Bangladesh. -_-