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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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> Altman and his ilk IANA senator, but if I were you lost me there. The personal insults make it seem petty and completely overshadow the otherwise professional-sounding message.

I don't mean it as a personal insult at all! The word ilk actually means "a type of people or things similar to those already referred to," it is not an insult or rude word.

Don't fret too much. I once wrote to my senator about their desire to implement an unconstitutional wealth tax and told them that if they wanted to fuck someone so badly they should kill themself so they could go blow Jesus, and I still got a response back.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Is this just to put up a barrier to entry to new entrants in the market so they can have a government enforced monopoly?

Why would OpenAI be worried about new entrants that are almost certainly too small to present a business threat? What regulation are they proposing that is actually a serious barrier to making a company around AI? If OpenAI just wants to prevent another OpenAI eating its lunch, the barrier there is raw compute. Companies that can afford that can afford to jump regulatory hurdles.

> Why would OpenAI be worried about new entrants that are almost certainly too small to present a business threat?

Because this is the reason that VCs exist in the first place. They can roll a company with a ton of capital, just like they did with ride share companies. When that happens, and there aren't sufficient barriers to entry, it's a race to the bottom.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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You lost me at "While AI regulation is important" - nope, congress does not need to regulate AI.

> nope, congress does not need to regulate AI. Not regulating the air quality we breathe for decades turned out amazing for millions of the Americas. Yes, lets do the same with AI! What could possibility go wrong?

I think this is a great argument in the opposite direction.. atoms matter, information isn’t. A small group of people subjugated many others to poisonous matter. That matter affected their bodies and a causal link could be made.

Even if you really believe that somewhere in the chain of consequences derived from LLMs there could be grave and material damage or other affronts to human dignity, there is almost always a more direct causal link that acts as the thing which makes that damage kinetic and physical. And that’s the proper locus for regulation. Otherwise this is all just a bit reminiscent of banning numbers and research into numbers.

Want to protect people’s employment? Just do that! Enshrine it in law. Want to improve the safety of critical infrastructure and make sure they’re reliable? Again, just do that! Want to prevent mass surveillance? Do that! Want to protect against a lack of oversight in complex systems allowing for subterfuge via bad actors? Well, make regulation about proper standards of oversight and human accountability. AI doesn’t obviate human responsibility, and a lack of responsibility on the part of humans who should’ve been responsible, and who instead cut corners, doesn’t mean that the blame falls on the tool that cut the corners, but rather the corner-cutters themselves.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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To be fair LLMs are predicting the next token. It's just that to get better and better predictions it needs to understand some level of reasoning and math. However it feels to me that a lot of this reasoning is brute forced from the training data. Like chatgpt gets some things wrong when adding two very large numbers. If it really knew the algorithm for adding two numbers it shouldn't be making them in the first plac…

> If it really knew the algorithm for adding two numbers it shouldn't be making them in the first place. You're using it wrong. If you asked a human to do the same operation in under 2 seconds without paper, would the human be more accurate? On the other hand if you ask for a step by step execution, the LLM can solve it.

am i bad at authoring inputs?

no, it’s the LLMs that are wrong.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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You might say that any regulation is better than none, but bad regulation can be way more insidious and have unique dangers. As a blunt analogy, let's say there's no law against murder right now. You and I both agree that we need a law against murder. But I have the ear of lawmakers, and I go sit down with them and tell them that you and I agree: We need a law against murder. And then I help them write a law that mak…

> then I help them write a law that makes murder illegal. Only, not all killing counts as murder, obviously. So if it's an accident, no murder. Self defense? No murder…now I get to go ~~murder you~~ defend my business interests Isn’t this a classic case of some regulation being better than none? You could have murdered them at the start, too.

Yes, but if I had murdered them at the start or even tried, maybe people would say, "Hey, this is murder and it's bad." Now I've got the force of law and authority on my side. You either allow me to do murders or you're the one causing problems. It may be quite a bit harder to change things and there will be irreparable damage before we do.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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I made something just for writing your congress person / senator, using generative AI ironically: https://vocalvoters.com/

Cool product! Your pay button appears to be disabled though.

Should enable once you add valid info — if not, let me know

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Neither is it an indication of bad intentions and I don't even think SBF was dishonest, his general behavior doesn't exactly suggest he's some Machiavellian mastermind. This is always the first comment when someone in an industry talks about regulation but it doesn't change the fact that it's needed and they're essentially right regardless of what motivations they have.

" his general behavior doesn't exactly suggest he's some Machiavellian mastermind." Come on! You don't get to the place he got to by accident. This requires careful planning and ruthless execution. He just faked being the nerdy kid who wants to do good and is surprised by the billions coming to him.

>Come on! You don't get to the place he got to by accident.

You can literally become president of the US by accident these days. SBF self-reported to a random journalist one day after all hell broke lose with messages so incriminating the reporter had to confirm that it was a real conversation.

Half of the American elite class voluntarily sat on the board of a bogus company just because the woman running it was attractive and wore black turtlenecks. The sad reality is that these people aren't ruthless operators, they're just marginally less clueless than the people who got them into their positions

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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What does licensing achieve? Will there be requirements if you build AI outside of US? If so, how do you regulate it? They can’t realistically think this will stop ai research in other countries like China. All of this is a very I’ll thought through corporate attempt to build moats that will inevitably backfire.

> They can’t realistically think this will stop ai research in other countries like China.

China dont even need research to caught up to AI.com - they'll just steal their work. LLM and GPUs that needed for training is not ASML machinery. It can be easily copied and reproduced.

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